Of note is that recently, top US undergrads (in physical sciences) are actually going abroad for PhDs. I think at a statistically significant rate but we’ll have to do surveys.
I realize this has been happening for a while since the current administration came into power, but for people from other G7 nations, it's kind of nice seeing this happen to the US for once.
agreeing, though to widen the perspective, it's been happening since long before the current administration, or that before it, were in power.
As a concrete example, my amazing professor left U Illinois for Austria, for an example, several years before the Trump/Biden/Trump again era.
it seems that the unending political battle drama gets tiresome for scientists. I believe some people realize that immersed in that context isn't how they want to spend their lives.
It is not necessarily obvious to all. Some choose to stay out of a belief that there is a chance that order can be restored or perhaps created for the first time and that it is worth staying to participate in the work toward the prefered order.
This happens in all sorts of queer communities. Some do leave for the greener pastures, but some choose to stay and fight to build a supporting community where they already live. Some believe that they should not have to flee to the gayborhood in order to live their lives.
If every pro-choice individual left a pro-life community, the pro-life community will suddenly have zero votes against pro-life candidates/policies.
If all of the immigrants (or at least the ones with skin colors that trigger people, because no one seems to mind a white Swiss immigrant), knowing that many in the US are openly hostile toward them, simply left or chose to never enter in the first place, the US would never have a chance to develop a tolerance for these peoples.
Many Jewish people, given the chance to flee, chose to stay in Hitler's Germany in order to help others flee/hide, or support others in the area doing things like getting groceries to families that were at greater risk of harm.
Taken to an extreme, everyone who didn't like a community leaving would only distill the hostility in to a pure un-hindered hatred that will take far more effort to address in the long run.
Of note is that recently, top US undergrads (in physical sciences) are actually going abroad for PhDs. I think at a statistically significant rate but we’ll have to do surveys.
I find this impossible to believe. Do you have any sources?
We’ve had a significant increase in applications here in Europe. All the funding cuts leave less positions to apply for in the US
Same. I haven't heard of this at all from collaborators. In fact I hear about more and more graduate students.
studying where?
I imagine the answers will vary in the same way that different universities within the US had different advantage.
I would guess Canada, EU, UK, Oceania and South East Asia.
The Times is behind a wall again. What has further happened in order to make this news in November? The Dutch press reported this back in July.
* https://nu.nl/klimaat/6403448/amerikaanse-topwetenschapper-z...
* https://trouw.nl/wetenschap/sterrenkundige-uit-de-vs-zet-wer...
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I don't think links to paywalled sites should be considered without a mirror. What's the point of discussing something if not everyone can access it?
SFPL gives out free access to the NY Times, 3 days at a time. Maybe your local library does too.
I realize this has been happening for a while since the current administration came into power, but for people from other G7 nations, it's kind of nice seeing this happen to the US for once.
agreeing, though to widen the perspective, it's been happening since long before the current administration, or that before it, were in power.
As a concrete example, my amazing professor left U Illinois for Austria, for an example, several years before the Trump/Biden/Trump again era.
it seems that the unending political battle drama gets tiresome for scientists. I believe some people realize that immersed in that context isn't how they want to spend their lives.
I’d love to hear why someone shouldn’t migrate when the environment gets hostile to their way of life?
Seems like an obvious move to me.
It is not necessarily obvious to all. Some choose to stay out of a belief that there is a chance that order can be restored or perhaps created for the first time and that it is worth staying to participate in the work toward the prefered order.
This happens in all sorts of queer communities. Some do leave for the greener pastures, but some choose to stay and fight to build a supporting community where they already live. Some believe that they should not have to flee to the gayborhood in order to live their lives.
If every pro-choice individual left a pro-life community, the pro-life community will suddenly have zero votes against pro-life candidates/policies.
If all of the immigrants (or at least the ones with skin colors that trigger people, because no one seems to mind a white Swiss immigrant), knowing that many in the US are openly hostile toward them, simply left or chose to never enter in the first place, the US would never have a chance to develop a tolerance for these peoples.
Many Jewish people, given the chance to flee, chose to stay in Hitler's Germany in order to help others flee/hide, or support others in the area doing things like getting groceries to families that were at greater risk of harm.
Taken to an extreme, everyone who didn't like a community leaving would only distill the hostility in to a pure un-hindered hatred that will take far more effort to address in the long run.