Ironically the Fremen in Dune weren’t really Islamic. They were Zen Sunni, an artificial/syncretic religion created by the Bene Gesserit specifically so that they could be used as a power base by someone with Bene Gesserit training. Instead of empowering the Fremen it allows them to be controlled by an outsider who can step into the role and say the right words.
Zensunni was an authentic religion after what Herbert implies was a "Buddhislamic" syncretism in which, according to their beliefs, Muhammad reincarnated.
The prophecy of the messianic leader the "Voice of the Outer/Occulted World" was what the Bene Gesserit planted to exploit.
They're not the result of an author in a room diddling their own imagination
They’re complex logistics projects and getting everything aligned materially requires short cuts
Visual art conveys a lot of the narrative to ...visually. Shock I know. The audience is to assume the relationship to the real world it any is implied
Tale as old as time when it comes to movie adaptations. See the 1990s Mario movie
Has nothing to do with a goal of erase Islam.
Take heart in the fact you are a literate, in an apparently materially comfortable, stable lived experience since you have the time to complain about the world at large not validating your personal inner mind palace
Go sew a couple shirts with this time to take pressure of kids in sweatshops ensuring the local mall is stocked for you
First world problems, bro; millions of your Muslim brothers and sisters running from bombs and gunman could use someone like you, soooo concerned with the erasure of the culture, leading a movement to get them out of their predicament
What do you have to say to the typical response that Villeneuve erased Islam from the Dune films - and I agree he did! - to avoid defaming Islam? Paul Atreides, after all, is a villain protagonist or tragic antihero, not a hero. While Herbert wrote Muad'dib's Jihad as historically analogous to the early rise of Islam under Muhammad and the Rightly Guided Caliphs, that's quite an unflattering impression of Islam to give people in our day and age, even given that the historical analogy does hold and that people in Amazigh, Arab, and Muslim societies see themselves in the Fremen and in Dune broadly.
I haven't watched the video (not my preferred medium), but I assume the point is that while the Dune (fictional) movie erases Islam, the Dune (fictional) book very much does not.
That is likely the point, but it's clearly phrased deliberately poorly to elicit a specific interpretation from viewers.
"The Dune books were all about islam, the movies are not; Today I will analyze what was lost in translation and why they did it!" doesn't have the same ring to it than "ISLAM IS BEING ERASED BY HOLLYWOOD!"
Following the theme, of the tangent, we can go bigger yet, and divide concepts into those that are demonstrable, like bieng sensored/re written, and things that are purely human constructs, like money and the easter bunny, some would include religion, but then we get into a debate about devine delivered truth, or we could include all of scientific theory, things like numbers.
In any case when it comes to gods comandments, these truths are by definition non negotiable, and if you are a believer then you dont do that, and if you are not, again, there is no point in debate, and civilisations thrive on knowing where various peoples beliefs are exposed, and finding other things to enjoy arguing about.
Bieng a muslim on the one hand and a reader of Frank Herberts works on the other with no interest in the shamefull garbage that comes out of the movie industry, I could only direct you to Mr Herberts comentary on the analysis others did ,of how much of the first Star wars movie is a direct plagerism of Dune.
Ironically the Fremen in Dune weren’t really Islamic. They were Zen Sunni, an artificial/syncretic religion created by the Bene Gesserit specifically so that they could be used as a power base by someone with Bene Gesserit training. Instead of empowering the Fremen it allows them to be controlled by an outsider who can step into the role and say the right words.
Zensunni was an authentic religion after what Herbert implies was a "Buddhislamic" syncretism in which, according to their beliefs, Muhammad reincarnated.
The prophecy of the messianic leader the "Voice of the Outer/Occulted World" was what the Bene Gesserit planted to exploit.
Even opinion on fiction is forbidden it seems (my post has been killed)
That's because it was only a quote, I think.
Probably because this is normal with movies
They're not the result of an author in a room diddling their own imagination
They’re complex logistics projects and getting everything aligned materially requires short cuts
Visual art conveys a lot of the narrative to ...visually. Shock I know. The audience is to assume the relationship to the real world it any is implied
Tale as old as time when it comes to movie adaptations. See the 1990s Mario movie
Has nothing to do with a goal of erase Islam.
Take heart in the fact you are a literate, in an apparently materially comfortable, stable lived experience since you have the time to complain about the world at large not validating your personal inner mind palace
Go sew a couple shirts with this time to take pressure of kids in sweatshops ensuring the local mall is stocked for you
First world problems, bro; millions of your Muslim brothers and sisters running from bombs and gunman could use someone like you, soooo concerned with the erasure of the culture, leading a movement to get them out of their predicament
Log off and touch grass
Hi Yousef,
What do you have to say to the typical response that Villeneuve erased Islam from the Dune films - and I agree he did! - to avoid defaming Islam? Paul Atreides, after all, is a villain protagonist or tragic antihero, not a hero. While Herbert wrote Muad'dib's Jihad as historically analogous to the early rise of Islam under Muhammad and the Rightly Guided Caliphs, that's quite an unflattering impression of Islam to give people in our day and age, even given that the historical analogy does hold and that people in Amazigh, Arab, and Muslim societies see themselves in the Fremen and in Dune broadly.
Dune books criticize islamic concepts, this video misses the whole point. Dune talks about Islam, yes, but in a (very) bad way.
Dune is fiction.
I haven't watched the video (not my preferred medium), but I assume the point is that while the Dune (fictional) movie erases Islam, the Dune (fictional) book very much does not.
“Erase” is sleight of hand. Islam isn’t affected at all by it being omitted from the movie.
That is likely the point, but it's clearly phrased deliberately poorly to elicit a specific interpretation from viewers.
"The Dune books were all about islam, the movies are not; Today I will analyze what was lost in translation and why they did it!" doesn't have the same ring to it than "ISLAM IS BEING ERASED BY HOLLYWOOD!"
So is Islam.
Sure, all religions are fictional, but I don't know that that has anything to do with the discussion.
What a small minded view.
Okay. Let's think larger. All religions are fiction.
Following the theme, of the tangent, we can go bigger yet, and divide concepts into those that are demonstrable, like bieng sensored/re written, and things that are purely human constructs, like money and the easter bunny, some would include religion, but then we get into a debate about devine delivered truth, or we could include all of scientific theory, things like numbers. In any case when it comes to gods comandments, these truths are by definition non negotiable, and if you are a believer then you dont do that, and if you are not, again, there is no point in debate, and civilisations thrive on knowing where various peoples beliefs are exposed, and finding other things to enjoy arguing about. Bieng a muslim on the one hand and a reader of Frank Herberts works on the other with no interest in the shamefull garbage that comes out of the movie industry, I could only direct you to Mr Herberts comentary on the analysis others did ,of how much of the first Star wars movie is a direct plagerism of Dune.
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