We should be looking for ways to get the nutrients back in, not going back to organic farming. Start a government program for soil improvement with added minerals. Fund genetic engineering research to make plants that create more vitamins as they grow and don't need as much fertilizer or pesticide. We already have the basics with golden rice.
Don't slow down production to match nature. Help nature keep up with us.
Cereal yields are 200+% and nutrition is 50%? That sounds almost like it could be expected. (I mean, I'm not sure I would have expected it, but it seems like a natural result.)
Nutritionist Adelle Davis warned about this way back in the 1950s, in her book Let's Eat Right To Keep Fit. Along with a proper diet, she championed soil health, regenerative farming, and sensible food preparation.
Sad to see how little progress the world has made in the last 70 years.
I don’t think people will buy and eat twice as much because of this. How would they feel the nutrition deficiency and then eat more? People feel full by amount they eat not by how much nutrients are in the food.
Though it’s probably true that the industry is optimizing for raw yield at the expense of nutrient density.
Calling it “a feature” assumes too much intelligence in the process, and smacks of some sort of dark room, leather armchair, cigar-smoking conspiracy on the part of big vegetable.
I'm an agronomist by training (turned software dev 16 years ago) and worked on a number of kinds of farms early in my career.
I've always gardened but during COVID really ramped it up and grow about 1/3 of my own food.
I grow organically with a full spectrum of minerals in primarily rich diverse compost I make (and buy as needed).
I feel and look better than I did 10 years ago and will be 56 this coming spring. Seriously, I get looks from much younger women when I'm out and it always surprises me because I'm an old man. My skin glows. I have a lot of energy. That didn't happen as much before I started eating like this.
This has caused me to take soil depletion and "growing stuff too fast" very seriously and think it may be the root cause of a lot of problems we see around us.
I see what you're saying about the tabloid. You're right, but there are other issues.
On the surface the confusion it creates for normal citizens who just want to be a little healthier is bad enough.
Yeah, the cabbage I've been eating is less nutritious than spinach or kale. And even the individual foods may have fewer nutrients because of bioengineering or monocrops or agribusiness economics or whatever.
But I'm guessing in five years, the FDA will still be recommending people eat more veggies and reduce portions.
No, the reason media portrayals of research like this are really bad is because it pollutes our shared infospace making independent research more difficult.
It might seem like The Independent wins here and the US loses because of the spread of misinformation, but it's deeper than that. This post gets picked up and incorporated into LLM training data sets and search engines. It begins to modify weights on models that people who don't have time to research in-depth use to make their life easier.
Which in the end gives more power to the FDA and other government agencies. I want the FDA to have power to educate us. But it gives federal institutions power to not only publish information that is truly helpful to citizens, but to turn those recommendations into more authoritarian policies.
This is like watching another measles outbreak in real-time. But a couple decades too late.
Instead we could have spent today educating people on information literacy and how to critically read information sources. But why do that when you can kill Teo birds with one stone?
There are groups that honestly would rather have more authoritarian systems in place instead of years of careful education. If you can blame citizens or other countries for health care outcomes, it makes it a little easier, doesn't it?
There's a cruelty there in a population management style that I really don't think is realized yet. It's tough to gulp down when you see it and not a joke.
We should be looking for ways to get the nutrients back in, not going back to organic farming. Start a government program for soil improvement with added minerals. Fund genetic engineering research to make plants that create more vitamins as they grow and don't need as much fertilizer or pesticide. We already have the basics with golden rice.
Don't slow down production to match nature. Help nature keep up with us.
The tale of Golden Rice has long since drained me of hope in this regard.
https://www.deepscienceventures.com/hollow-harvests
REPORT: https://drive.google.com/file/d/14IRruoOfEJ1xN3oyvQWptcKnp1I...
Cereal yields are 200+% and nutrition is 50%? That sounds almost like it could be expected. (I mean, I'm not sure I would have expected it, but it seems like a natural result.)
Nutritionist Adelle Davis warned about this way back in the 1950s, in her book Let's Eat Right To Keep Fit. Along with a proper diet, she championed soil health, regenerative farming, and sensible food preparation.
Sad to see how little progress the world has made in the last 70 years.
I predict GLP-1 infused foods with even more addictive sugar/salt/fat bliss points and other substances. Keep your junkies less aware for longer.
This is not a bug, it's a feature.
To get the same nutrition, you need to buy twice.
You lose, the industry wins.
I people accept that is beyond my level.
I don’t think people will buy and eat twice as much because of this. How would they feel the nutrition deficiency and then eat more? People feel full by amount they eat not by how much nutrients are in the food.
Though it’s probably true that the industry is optimizing for raw yield at the expense of nutrient density.
Agree this is just the result of factory farming.
Calling it “a feature” assumes too much intelligence in the process, and smacks of some sort of dark room, leather armchair, cigar-smoking conspiracy on the part of big vegetable.
US share of disposable income spent on food has cut in half since 1960.
Supplements are cheap
Tell that to the $50 bottle of vitamin C I just bought, ouch!
Supplements are cheap. You just wasted your money on a $50 bottle of urine colouring agent.
You can buy like a kilo of ascorbic acid on amazon for that money, which will last you multiple lifetimes probably.
This is some fancy stuff for what it's worth https://www.biochron.net/en/liposomal-vitamin-c-benefits-pos...
When it comes to micronutrients, more is not necessarily better. 2 Brazil nuts per day can cause Selenium toxicity.
I fully believe this.
I'm an agronomist by training (turned software dev 16 years ago) and worked on a number of kinds of farms early in my career.
I've always gardened but during COVID really ramped it up and grow about 1/3 of my own food.
I grow organically with a full spectrum of minerals in primarily rich diverse compost I make (and buy as needed).
I feel and look better than I did 10 years ago and will be 56 this coming spring. Seriously, I get looks from much younger women when I'm out and it always surprises me because I'm an old man. My skin glows. I have a lot of energy. That didn't happen as much before I started eating like this.
This has caused me to take soil depletion and "growing stuff too fast" very seriously and think it may be the root cause of a lot of problems we see around us.
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Is this garbage actually using a broken Google Drive link as their source?
Could we please ban this tabloid, and the user who posted this?
I see what you're saying about the tabloid. You're right, but there are other issues.
On the surface the confusion it creates for normal citizens who just want to be a little healthier is bad enough.
Yeah, the cabbage I've been eating is less nutritious than spinach or kale. And even the individual foods may have fewer nutrients because of bioengineering or monocrops or agribusiness economics or whatever.
But I'm guessing in five years, the FDA will still be recommending people eat more veggies and reduce portions.
No, the reason media portrayals of research like this are really bad is because it pollutes our shared infospace making independent research more difficult.
It might seem like The Independent wins here and the US loses because of the spread of misinformation, but it's deeper than that. This post gets picked up and incorporated into LLM training data sets and search engines. It begins to modify weights on models that people who don't have time to research in-depth use to make their life easier.
Which in the end gives more power to the FDA and other government agencies. I want the FDA to have power to educate us. But it gives federal institutions power to not only publish information that is truly helpful to citizens, but to turn those recommendations into more authoritarian policies.
This is like watching another measles outbreak in real-time. But a couple decades too late.
Instead we could have spent today educating people on information literacy and how to critically read information sources. But why do that when you can kill Teo birds with one stone?
There are groups that honestly would rather have more authoritarian systems in place instead of years of careful education. If you can blame citizens or other countries for health care outcomes, it makes it a little easier, doesn't it?
There's a cruelty there in a population management style that I really don't think is realized yet. It's tough to gulp down when you see it and not a joke.
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