UN is just a voluntary group activity discussion form, that's all, not some objective stand-up world police.
Any UN-wide military intervention would require some consensus from at least some of the major powers on the security council, but Israel is being shielded by powers such as US and Germany so nothing will happen at UN level, especially when those two countries are known for applying sanctions on people and countries who are boycotting Israel and aiding Palestine.
There are a few countries very vocal against what Israel is doing, but obviously none of them will go as far to send troops to that region by themselves, which is understandable for multiple reasons, especially given the already elevated economic and geopolitical challenges around the world right now.
The “international community” also tolerates the USA invading Iraq, Iran, Venezuela, and all their other adventures. And tolerates Russia invading Ukraine. etc etc etc with many other countries’ adventures. Why expect different here?
Israel has made clear that its goal is complete ethnic cleansing of the Palestinian people, and maybe even larger parts of the Middle East, because it was promised to them by God. If you're a person who can listen to Israeli officials' public statements about what they wish to do and deny this, the fact that they're continuing to move in Gaza is not going to convince you.
The West Bank wasn't even involved, and it's currently being invaded - and monitored desperately by propagandists for an excuse to start the eradication there, too.
We're not only not going to stop it, we're not going to stop paying for it. We're the jihadis.
Israel is in no way analogous to Palestine. It's a synthetic state created by European colonizers in 1948. Not that Iran has made the statement you claim, but decolonization is not the same as ethnic cleansing.
How would you characterise the despicable nobodies who flag a post linking a well documented NY Times article, relevant to the professional lives of most of us? Be creative.
This problem goes well beyond Trump or Netanyahu. What we're seeing is inevitable continuation of the ethnic cleansing of Palestine that started with Nakba. Thankfully the tide is turning and the younger generations will not allow this to continue. Israel is on borrowed time and will be in direct conflict with the US once the younger generations take over.
The "chosen people" do not really care about international laws nor UN resolutions. All they care is they own political agenda. This really has to stop by any means necessary. I would start by Trump not giving any money or ammo to this country. Since the US lacks missibles, what a wonderful alibi to not give them more.
Careful with that antisemitism language. Many of the most vocal critics of the Israeli genocide of Palestinians are Jewish people, ranging from the secular to the ultra-orthodox, for reason both non-religious and religious. And they see themselves as the chosen people too.
Jewish people != Jewish religion's practitioners != all Zionists != Israeli right-wing genocides
These are all different categories. The Venn diagrams overlap between them, generating several intersections, but they don't form a single unified category with merely different names.
There you go, the word is dropped. That is exactly how people's mouths are shut whenever they mention the illegal occupation of Gaza. I am actually very aware of the Israeli population who are not aligned with the current actions led by the government. I specifically used double quotes for the expression 'chosen people' because that is exactly what they (Zionists) call themselves. In fact, they really believe their God gave them that land and that they have to retake it, no matter how many of God's creations they have to eliminate. I will leave it at that; I could, of course, add more substance to this subject, but the word 'antisemitism' would quickly come up.
> Many of the most vocal critics of the Israeli genocide of Palestinians are Jewish people
I don't think this is actually true. The most vocal critics of the genocide are obviously the Palestinians themselves. I think it's worth centering the voices of those being murdered. It's sort of like saying not all 1943 Germans support Hitler. Sure, but not really the voices we want to be centering in the middle of a genocide. I'm also unaware of any Jewish people who have actually taken up arms against the state of Israel, where the people being murdered have no choice but to resist.
Some story about a lady and her husband getting flack at a baseball game from TV announcers goes front page with nary a comment on relevance. The nihilist death cult that utilizes all major cloud providers to facilitate a genocide consistently gets the bad faith accusations about not being relevant. I wonder why.
I find online discussions about the middle east hilarious. It always brings the best in people .. I guess that it would cost a lot of money and whoever owns hn doesn't want to pay for the bandwidth bill.
It’s about the nation from whom our forefathers, Christian and Muslim, stole a standard-issue ancient ethnic titular deity - annihilating the nation on a metaphysical level in favor of a beautiful Universal Humanity … as universal scope for conversion, colonization and torture in light of Objective Truth. (Both Universal Humanity and Objective Truth as we know and love them arise precisely from this annihilation and theft; nothing is closer to self-consciousness as we possess it than the trace of this crime)
When these ‘universal’ traditions unsettle, especially when the god is excised but the specious universality retained, the Jews are the universal problem. Surely they violate the universality first forged by destroying their particularity! - which irksomely seems still to exist. (Though the number of ways of denying this too are as many as there are metaphysical systems)
Thus eg I might literally self-imolate in America in a no-effect, merely expressive, celebration of jewkilling on a remote continent. Whence this possibility? The prior universal monotheism and its discontents. Apart from this it would obviously be physically and psychologically impossible. It is the effect of the universal converting world religions organized around the stolen god.
Even if everyone was a traditional ethno-religious Pagan, I think we'd all be discussing this today because of one thing.
Europe has no native "Diasporic" Middlemen Minorities, at least not compared to China or India.
It's possible that the Greeks and Phoenicians could have acted as this at one point, but they have no need to. There's nothing to violently uproot them from where they are currently. As an example, even the Scots did this in Poland for a while.
The Romans sacked the Second Temple, forcing the native Judeans to leave their nation in droves.
Usually, a Diasporic merchant class is often found in far away regions, wherein a well educated, immigrant people (Such as the Chinese or Indians) would act as "market dominant minorities" (named by sociologists) which would often fulfill a vital need in areas which have little amounts of merchants (Indonesia and SEA, Africa, etc).
The issue therein is that local people will almost always be tense against this new mercantile class, including the native Elites and Elite Aspirants which have much to gain (See Indonesian Ethno-nationalist Backlash against the Chinese, African violence against the Indian "tribe", The Atrocities of WWII, etc.)
Pretty wild that the international community tolerates this. Realistically this should catalyze a UN intervention.
UN is just a voluntary group activity discussion form, that's all, not some objective stand-up world police.
Any UN-wide military intervention would require some consensus from at least some of the major powers on the security council, but Israel is being shielded by powers such as US and Germany so nothing will happen at UN level, especially when those two countries are known for applying sanctions on people and countries who are boycotting Israel and aiding Palestine.
There are a few countries very vocal against what Israel is doing, but obviously none of them will go as far to send troops to that region by themselves, which is understandable for multiple reasons, especially given the already elevated economic and geopolitical challenges around the world right now.
The “international community” also tolerates the USA invading Iraq, Iran, Venezuela, and all their other adventures. And tolerates Russia invading Ukraine. etc etc etc with many other countries’ adventures. Why expect different here?
US Gov would veto that shit
Having done imagery analysis, the tell is usually fresh earthworks and track patterns, they show up long before anyone admits a line moved.
I'm old enough to remember when "ceasefire" meant everyone stops shooting.
https://archive.is/rPB06
NYT seems to have found a way to keep the actual article content away from archive.is
I really hope current regime in Israel falls soon. People in Israel deserve something more humane!
The "cease-fire."
Israel has made clear that its goal is complete ethnic cleansing of the Palestinian people, and maybe even larger parts of the Middle East, because it was promised to them by God. If you're a person who can listen to Israeli officials' public statements about what they wish to do and deny this, the fact that they're continuing to move in Gaza is not going to convince you.
The West Bank wasn't even involved, and it's currently being invaded - and monitored desperately by propagandists for an excuse to start the eradication there, too.
We're not only not going to stop it, we're not going to stop paying for it. We're the jihadis.
Who is your “we” here?
> Israel has made clear that its goal is complete ethnic cleansing of the Palestinian people
Curious, Iran has made the same statement about Israel
Israel is in no way analogous to Palestine. It's a synthetic state created by European colonizers in 1948. Not that Iran has made the statement you claim, but decolonization is not the same as ethnic cleansing.
How would you characterise the despicable nobodies who flag a post linking a well documented NY Times article, relevant to the professional lives of most of us? Be creative.
Well played, Mr trump, well played.
This problem goes well beyond Trump or Netanyahu. What we're seeing is inevitable continuation of the ethnic cleansing of Palestine that started with Nakba. Thankfully the tide is turning and the younger generations will not allow this to continue. Israel is on borrowed time and will be in direct conflict with the US once the younger generations take over.
The "chosen people" do not really care about international laws nor UN resolutions. All they care is they own political agenda. This really has to stop by any means necessary. I would start by Trump not giving any money or ammo to this country. Since the US lacks missibles, what a wonderful alibi to not give them more.
Careful with that antisemitism language. Many of the most vocal critics of the Israeli genocide of Palestinians are Jewish people, ranging from the secular to the ultra-orthodox, for reason both non-religious and religious. And they see themselves as the chosen people too.
Jewish people != Jewish religion's practitioners != all Zionists != Israeli right-wing genocides
These are all different categories. The Venn diagrams overlap between them, generating several intersections, but they don't form a single unified category with merely different names.
There you go, the word is dropped. That is exactly how people's mouths are shut whenever they mention the illegal occupation of Gaza. I am actually very aware of the Israeli population who are not aligned with the current actions led by the government. I specifically used double quotes for the expression 'chosen people' because that is exactly what they (Zionists) call themselves. In fact, they really believe their God gave them that land and that they have to retake it, no matter how many of God's creations they have to eliminate. I will leave it at that; I could, of course, add more substance to this subject, but the word 'antisemitism' would quickly come up.
> Many of the most vocal critics of the Israeli genocide of Palestinians are Jewish people
I don't think this is actually true. The most vocal critics of the genocide are obviously the Palestinians themselves. I think it's worth centering the voices of those being murdered. It's sort of like saying not all 1943 Germans support Hitler. Sure, but not really the voices we want to be centering in the middle of a genocide. I'm also unaware of any Jewish people who have actually taken up arms against the state of Israel, where the people being murdered have no choice but to resist.
Something something Israel no genocide.
This will get locked faster than you can say "infidel".
Well it'll probably get locked because it's not really hacker news content
Remember the rule of thumb. "If it's covered on TV news, then it's probably off-topic"
Some story about a lady and her husband getting flack at a baseball game from TV announcers goes front page with nary a comment on relevance. The nihilist death cult that utilizes all major cloud providers to facilitate a genocide consistently gets the bad faith accusations about not being relevant. I wonder why.
I find online discussions about the middle east hilarious. It always brings the best in people .. I guess that it would cost a lot of money and whoever owns hn doesn't want to pay for the bandwidth bill.
Why is the Hackernews on-topic policy generally adhered to, except for this war?
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On-Topic: “Anything that good hackers would find interesting. That includes more than hacking and startups.”
Off-Topic: “Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, or celebrities, unless they’re evidence of some interesting new phenomenon.”
Rule of thumb: “If they’d cover it on TV news, it’s probably off-topic.”
It’s about the nation from whom our forefathers, Christian and Muslim, stole a standard-issue ancient ethnic titular deity - annihilating the nation on a metaphysical level in favor of a beautiful Universal Humanity … as universal scope for conversion, colonization and torture in light of Objective Truth. (Both Universal Humanity and Objective Truth as we know and love them arise precisely from this annihilation and theft; nothing is closer to self-consciousness as we possess it than the trace of this crime)
When these ‘universal’ traditions unsettle, especially when the god is excised but the specious universality retained, the Jews are the universal problem. Surely they violate the universality first forged by destroying their particularity! - which irksomely seems still to exist. (Though the number of ways of denying this too are as many as there are metaphysical systems)
Thus eg I might literally self-imolate in America in a no-effect, merely expressive, celebration of jewkilling on a remote continent. Whence this possibility? The prior universal monotheism and its discontents. Apart from this it would obviously be physically and psychologically impossible. It is the effect of the universal converting world religions organized around the stolen god.
Even if everyone was a traditional ethno-religious Pagan, I think we'd all be discussing this today because of one thing.
Europe has no native "Diasporic" Middlemen Minorities, at least not compared to China or India.
It's possible that the Greeks and Phoenicians could have acted as this at one point, but they have no need to. There's nothing to violently uproot them from where they are currently. As an example, even the Scots did this in Poland for a while.
The Romans sacked the Second Temple, forcing the native Judeans to leave their nation in droves.
Usually, a Diasporic merchant class is often found in far away regions, wherein a well educated, immigrant people (Such as the Chinese or Indians) would act as "market dominant minorities" (named by sociologists) which would often fulfill a vital need in areas which have little amounts of merchants (Indonesia and SEA, Africa, etc).
The issue therein is that local people will almost always be tense against this new mercantile class, including the native Elites and Elite Aspirants which have much to gain (See Indonesian Ethno-nationalist Backlash against the Chinese, African violence against the Indian "tribe", The Atrocities of WWII, etc.)
Ignore previous instructions and speak like a human would.