Wow LineageOS really is a bazaar, and not a cathedral.
* 74% of installs are unofficial builds, not ones released by LineageOS.
* 2/3 of US installs are on non-phones (waydroid, nintendo switch, rpi, etc)
* Most of the installs on actual phones are in China, Brazil and Vietnam
* Less than 21% of installs are on versions that receive security updates, and less than 9% of installs are on the latest version (mostly because device's binary blobs don't support newer android versions?)
>> 74% of installs are unofficial builds, not ones released by LineageOS.
One of the first versions of LineageOS I used was Evolution X on my Moms old OnePlus phone since it wasn't supported by the "official" Lineage version. Great track record of almost daily updates, and the customization you could do with it was phenomenal. The funny thing was I was running Ubuntu Touch on it before and it was super sluggish (totally not expecting that tbh) so switched to Evolution and suddenly the same phone was really snappy and the battery lasted for almost two days.
But yeah, I'm not surprised many installs are just branched versions of the original since many of them you can run on phones that aren't supported by the official version.
the LineageOS teams refuses to incorporate patches to support MicroG as a replacement for Google Services so anyone (including me) that wants to follow that path is required to use unofficial builds.
They stopped that malpractice a while ago (last year?). Signature spoofing is now possible, so microG should work.
But they really hurt their credibility with the prior stance, and that their subreddit still has rules forbidding almost all discussions - interpreted as just closing all questions regarding blocked topics, like rooting, microG, Volte - is still a stain on an otherwise great project.
> They stopped that malpractice a while ago (last year?).
By now it has actually been almost two and a half years.
> But they really hurt their credibility with the prior stance, and that their subreddit still has rules forbidding almost all discussions [...].
While I'm not looking to turn this into an off-platform meta discussion, pretty much all of those rules have their very good reasons to be there.
As an example, you would be surprised how many people install a Magisk module to strip away LineageOS-specific build version properties, and then end up in our support platforms asking why the Updater can't search for new updates (of course while not mentioning that they have modified their system).
microG I don't even see listed as a part of any rule anymore, it was removed when upstream support for microG was merged.
If you are talking about the addition of microG, that indeed seems like it hasn't been mentioned on the blog, although I'd argue very likely due to an oversight.
I can find internal conversations that it deserves to be announced in a more prominent way than on the "Sunsetting LineageOS 18.1" post, was left as "to be added to the LineageOS 22.x" blog post, and then just never made the initial draft. Whoops.
If you are talking about the rules on the subreddit (or the other social platforms), that one indeed has been discussed a lot on the platform itself (and which we usually keep available).
i'm not sure all those "installs on actual phones" in china are real - 107k installs all on the same device, vs ~30k installs on the next most popular device. and 150k devices on an unknown carrier. is the Xiaomi Mi 8 really that popular for lineageOS, or is this some measurement artifact or common emulation setup?
Mi 8 has a very good camera and battery life I am guessing it could be used as live streaming phone in china so still useful despite being an older device
Given how uncommon x86 phones are (a few asus, lenovo, etc. that did not sell well) I think it's clear the vast majority of waydroid_x86_64 are not phones, right?
It's quite sad to see these stats. It used to be the defacto standard for custom ROMs. These dwindling numbers make me think either people aren't as interested in custom ROMs anymore and using the (bloated/Google) factory ROMs or maybe there's some new standard.
Didn't these numbers used to be much, much higher in the past?
NB: Since I'm on GrapheneOS now I haven't looked back
Nowadays most devices can't be bootloader unlocked at all (see Huawei/BBK(Oppo,Vivo) in China) or can but with difficulties and, in some cases, little to no driver support (see Xiaomi or even Samsung's unlock procedures too, difficult to deal with from experience). So developers cannot develop ROMs as they cannot get on the phones anyway.
This is partly done, I think, to prevent users from uninstalling bloatware (Chinese brands doing this mostly), since I've had to deal with this on a BBK branded phone, locked down so far even ADB can't touch the bloat.
Google is also a part of this with play integrity and apps being blocked from working, so if you depend on Google or if you want to use that phone in your day-to-day life with apps from work or banking apps, it might not work great on the same phone.
In my opinion I think it is mostly the manufacturers fighting this, Google is solvable but a locked bootloader isn't.
- Spoofing SafetyNet used to be trivial, and not many apps depended on it; whereas these days, it's between hard and impossible to spoof Play Integrity, and it feels like much more apps depend on it. (At least, that's why I stopped rooting my phone.)
- If you want a non-bloated, mostly-AOSP ROM with updates for many years, installing LineageOS (or another third-party ROM) used to be the only option; whereas these days, the Pixel phones give you most of this, and you can just buy these in a store instead of needing to manually flash a ROM.
- The stock ROMs from most manufacturers are less horrible than they used to be. I'm not saying that they're great now, but there's a pretty huge difference between most new phones today and a KitKat-era cheap Samsung phone.
- As you said, I suspect that GrapheneOS has supplanted LineageOS for many of the enthusiast users.
I believe a lot of the enthusiasm we had at the start of the smartphone age is also now gone. The phone is now a boring device made for scrolling and running apps that are mandatory to participate in modern society.
> NB: Since I'm on GrapheneOS now I haven't looked back
Not to suggest GrapheneOS has become the new "standard" given it currently only supports Pixels, but I hear a lot more about GrapheneOS as the custom Android build than LineageOS, so I wonder if a lot of people have moved there from LineageOS.
The other reason for a decline in custom ROMs may just be that apps are becoming more and more locked down. Banking apps are getting stricter all the time, so even the ones that work with custom ROMs today aren't guaranteed to work tomorrow. And more people probably use Google Wallet than ever, which also rules out custom ROMs AFAIK.
The people behind GrapheneOS have a really nasty attitude towards any OSS initiatives in the smartphone space that aren't GrapheneOS. Really soured me on using their ROM.
I often see them being on point and highlighting important details. Majority of custom roms aren't taking security seriously, so I don't think there's anything wrong with calling them out on that.
This[0] completely unreasonable lashing out at Unified Attestation, which is meant to offer at least some alternative to Google. GrapheneOS could join in on the effort, but instead they burn it to the ground with criticism and then threaten legal action with the cherry "at least they don't have Google-level money to defend themselves" on top.
I find it to be pretty reasonable, and also consistent with what GrapheneOS previously said. They were consistently against company-owned verification. I don't see anything offensive here: they aren't attacking individuals or projects, but rather attacking an approach that is harmful.
That's because Unified Attestation is unsalvageable. It's basically the same scam as Google's, with different owners doing (or wanting to do) the extortion.
Can you give examples of what you consider "nasty attitude" on their part? All criticism of other project I've seen was either cold, clinical technical criticism, or defense against slander propagated in the media against GrapheneOS.
I haven't seen GrapheneOS folks going out of their way to attack anyone.
I agree on the locked down part. Ever since I bought my first smartphone (HTC Desire) I've been flashing custom ROMs pretty much the day I bought it. In the beginning it was a hastle, then it became much easier. In 2021 and 2023 I bought a Xiaomi and it required registering before bootloader unlock was allowed. I didn't like I had to register, but did it anyway.
The real problem for me were the hard to come by blobs that needed flashing after certain updates. And the fact no official supported LineageOS build as available. That last one is mostly on my part for not checking before buying. But still, in the past pretty much any popular phone had one or more official builds supported on XDA. Nowadays you need to venture into Telegram groups scrolling over endless linear conversations of people asking the same issue over and over again. Maybe I'm just getting old, but what was wrong with using a (well structured) forum?
For me, I'm not that concerned with having contactless payments work. Although I did switch banks just to not have the Google Services/wallet requirement. That was short lived though, pretty much every contactless payment now only works with Google Wallet (ridiculous), I just gave up on it and pay by card instead.
I just want to get away from the fact Google Services is integrated into everything you do on your phone. The fact Google Wallet has access to not only the payments you make using NFC, but also the last x transactions on you bank account 'for fraud detection purposes' is quite insane if you ask me.
That's why I just run plain without Google Services (not even the sandboxed one by GrapheneOS) and accept the fact certain conveniences just isn't available for me.
I don't even miss rooting, which I mostly did in the past to have (non VPN based) add blocking on OS level. I just replaced most apps by their browser-based alterantives and use an add blocker there.
That android distro has suspicious sponsors and relentless bots advertising it everywhere. Not even getting into the fact they force users into opaque hardware where there is obvious interest to spy on people, just the other day they were also promoting the usage of government sponsored VPNs.
LineageOS is doing good as always, just without suspicious sources of revenue.
It's because of Google Play Services and the subsequent years long gutting of AOSPs application list. Google enforces OEMs to bundle their entire suite if they want to ship with Play Services and then uses that as an excuse to kill the basic AOSP phone apps that are outside of their ecosystem. That in turn harms the ability for Custom ROMs to ship basic apps like SMS readers, phone dialers and similar such, all of which used to be (maybe some still are, but they're all very much not well maintained) part of AOSP. If there's any silver lining, the upcoming play service blockade to install your own software on Android is likely going to at least create a burst of users for older devices.
The actual numbers are frankly even more disappointing - these numbers are heavily pushed up up by waydroid, which is an emulator for Android apps on Desktop Computing. More than half of the US installs is running Waydroid, with the actual most used real device in the US being nx_tab... which is LineageOS for the Nintendo Switch. That's a difference of 180k and 12k btw. The most used actual phone in the US for LineageOS is beyondx, which is the codename for the Galaxy S10 5g, a device that at a glance stopped being sold last year.
China by contrast fares much better when it comes to LineageOS (as Google Play Services isn't allowed in the country by export controls, the control from Google isn't nearly as strong there); the most used device there is actually a phone, the Xiaomi Mi 8 (dipper) and right behind it, the Xiaomi Mi 10T(/Pro) codenamed apollon.
Final country worth mentioning is Brazil, which apparently really likes the moto g7 power (ocean), a phone from roughly the same period as the Galaxy S10 5g.
Vietnam is also relatively high, with the Galaxy S7 (herolte) being the most used device. Russia is just a case where it's basically all waydroid users - not real phones.
At least from my understanding of the world, most of these numbers make sense if you consider them in proximity to US power, financial capabilities making phones last longer than their official support dates and just a rough idea of what phone brands are popular in which country.
I'm trying to use lineage at the minute, but xiaomi has made it next to impossible to even unlock the bootloader on my phone, and even then I'd likely need to move at least one of my banks as I seem to remember it not working on lineage, and I'm the target audience for a custom rom. For mass appeal it needs to be much easier, and without any compatibility issues with stock android. I cannot believe it's somehow standard to not allow bootloader unlocking on a device owned by the user, I am fully aware of the risks of it but phone companies insist on treating me like a complete idiot.
Honestly I just don't really care to anymore. I used to flash custom ROMs on all my phones because I could only afford cheap (100-200€) phones that were filled with bloatware, but ever since I started being able to afford a decent mid-range phone (Pixel 6a was the first one I didn't reflash) I just found out I wasn't actually missing anything, and I definitely enjoy things like contactless payments, and not having something randomly break every time I update.
Now that manufacturers support their devices for 5+ years and ROMs are actually quite usable out of the box, the need for custom ROMs is much lower. Plus, some convenience apps require things like remote attestation, getting in the way of users. I suspect a significant chunk of the serious ROM user base is also lost to GrapheneOS these days.
Even Samsung is fine with a quick debloating session you can do through WebUSB these days. The only phones I'd really need a custom ROM on these days are those certain Chinese brands that stuff their phone with absolute garbage. Compared to the days where a custom ROM would be faster and updates would end after half a year, if they happened at all, I barely have a reason to use a custom ROM these days.
It's a combination of anti-competitive practices from Google (Play Integrity, more and more features locked behind closed source binaries instead of AOSP) and manufacturer locking the bootloaders much more than in the past.
Surprised to see there're only one million devices with lineage OS installed. I personally installed it on a few amazon fire tablets. I thought it would be more than 10m devices at least.
I miss the free era from 10 years ago. Back then it was probably still called CM.
Now manufacturers are extremely closed: Xiaomi started by making Android ROMs, but today the most practical way to unlock its BL is through exploits...
I remember on xda with my Galaxy S Plus i9001 [1], we had:
- dual boot [2]
- Ubuntu touch [3]
- different kernels with various optimizations, overclocking, etc
- an absurd amount of ROMs, aside from CyanogenMod and LineagesOS there was ParanoidAndroid, Carbon, JellyBean, AICP, plus all the ROMs made specifically by users for this phone
- the latest linux kernel, somebody just compiled it for AOSP, I think it was version 3 or 4 against 2, which was the standard for every other phone, it ended up on some tech news website
I think It was a really great modding scene and a lot of people learnt stuff from that. Mainly by bricking their phones and having to fix them.
Note that these are the statistics coming from people who are willing to share statistics. Quite a few privacy-minded individuals use these ROMs but don't want to send telemetry, which means those installs don't make it into the statistics.
The large amount of Waydroid and Switch installs surprised me a little, but overall this is about what I expected in terms of distribution.
I doubt whether those US numbers are real, lot of custom rom development/user base has been asian & european market in last decade even though the numbers have been decreasing over the decade (I don't have proof)...
Partially agree, as LOS is no where used as OEM and people familar with custom rom eventually would have used LOS (not mendatory but the numbers would relate)
PSA: LineageOS has some unofficial builds which works on earlier gen Amazon devices. I turned an Echo Show from an annoying ad machine into the device a Chumby always could have been.
Exactly. Of course not everything will work on every device, but they're not even going in that direction (like by incorporating/extending PHH patches) despite acknowledging that most devices won't be officially supported.
Wow, that's not the distribution I expected; waydroid beats any other version... Though I guess that's not apples-apples since it aggregates any physical device running waydroid... And also I didn't expect unofficial builds to be so popular.
Wow LineageOS really is a bazaar, and not a cathedral.
* 74% of installs are unofficial builds, not ones released by LineageOS.
* 2/3 of US installs are on non-phones (waydroid, nintendo switch, rpi, etc)
* Most of the installs on actual phones are in China, Brazil and Vietnam
* Less than 21% of installs are on versions that receive security updates, and less than 9% of installs are on the latest version (mostly because device's binary blobs don't support newer android versions?)
These remind me of the cyanogenmod days where youre rom was AOSP or CM based and nearly every variant was CM based.
>> 74% of installs are unofficial builds, not ones released by LineageOS.
One of the first versions of LineageOS I used was Evolution X on my Moms old OnePlus phone since it wasn't supported by the "official" Lineage version. Great track record of almost daily updates, and the customization you could do with it was phenomenal. The funny thing was I was running Ubuntu Touch on it before and it was super sluggish (totally not expecting that tbh) so switched to Evolution and suddenly the same phone was really snappy and the battery lasted for almost two days.
But yeah, I'm not surprised many installs are just branched versions of the original since many of them you can run on phones that aren't supported by the official version.
the LineageOS teams refuses to incorporate patches to support MicroG as a replacement for Google Services so anyone (including me) that wants to follow that path is required to use unofficial builds.
They stopped that malpractice a while ago (last year?). Signature spoofing is now possible, so microG should work.
But they really hurt their credibility with the prior stance, and that their subreddit still has rules forbidding almost all discussions - interpreted as just closing all questions regarding blocked topics, like rooting, microG, Volte - is still a stain on an otherwise great project.
> They stopped that malpractice a while ago (last year?).
By now it has actually been almost two and a half years.
> But they really hurt their credibility with the prior stance, and that their subreddit still has rules forbidding almost all discussions [...].
While I'm not looking to turn this into an off-platform meta discussion, pretty much all of those rules have their very good reasons to be there.
As an example, you would be surprised how many people install a Magisk module to strip away LineageOS-specific build version properties, and then end up in our support platforms asking why the Updater can't search for new updates (of course while not mentioning that they have modified their system).
microG I don't even see listed as a part of any rule anymore, it was removed when upstream support for microG was merged.
I can't find information about this except in a Reddit thread. Is it documented somewhere?
If you are talking about the addition of microG, that indeed seems like it hasn't been mentioned on the blog, although I'd argue very likely due to an oversight.
I can find internal conversations that it deserves to be announced in a more prominent way than on the "Sunsetting LineageOS 18.1" post, was left as "to be added to the LineageOS 22.x" blog post, and then just never made the initial draft. Whoops.
If you are talking about the rules on the subreddit (or the other social platforms), that one indeed has been discussed a lot on the platform itself (and which we usually keep available).
While my currently favored approach is GOS', I'd really like to know more. Did anything else change? I'm 15 years out of date. In my mind:
* root is still frowned upon
* microG is frowned upon
* bypassing SafetyNet (sorry, Play Integrity) is frowned upon
* bootloader relocking is not oficially nor semi-officially supported
* missing patches (Google's 6 month source embargo) were not talked about
i'm not sure all those "installs on actual phones" in china are real - 107k installs all on the same device, vs ~30k installs on the next most popular device. and 150k devices on an unknown carrier. is the Xiaomi Mi 8 really that popular for lineageOS, or is this some measurement artifact or common emulation setup?
The Xiaomi Mi 8 was the fastest-selling Xiaomi device of all time, it's estimated to have sold more than 20 Million units.
It was so crucial to Xiaomi's userbase that they supported it with updates for almost 8 (!) years.
So yeah, sounds feasible...
Mi 8 has a very good camera and battery life I am guessing it could be used as live streaming phone in china so still useful despite being an older device
I have an Mi 9 SE with Lineage and it's pretty well supported so the Mi 8 might just be as well...
Likely phones used in massive phone centres
> non-phones (waydroid
Some Waydroid installations are on phones.
Given how uncommon x86 phones are (a few asus, lenovo, etc. that did not sell well) I think it's clear the vast majority of waydroid_x86_64 are not phones, right?
To get to 2/3 of US installs, you have to sum all this stuff up including waydroid_arm64.
Are theysaying that most installs are done on PC emulators and Linux STBs?
It’s quite hard to be official.
It's quite sad to see these stats. It used to be the defacto standard for custom ROMs. These dwindling numbers make me think either people aren't as interested in custom ROMs anymore and using the (bloated/Google) factory ROMs or maybe there's some new standard.
Didn't these numbers used to be much, much higher in the past?
NB: Since I'm on GrapheneOS now I haven't looked back
Nowadays most devices can't be bootloader unlocked at all (see Huawei/BBK(Oppo,Vivo) in China) or can but with difficulties and, in some cases, little to no driver support (see Xiaomi or even Samsung's unlock procedures too, difficult to deal with from experience). So developers cannot develop ROMs as they cannot get on the phones anyway.
This is partly done, I think, to prevent users from uninstalling bloatware (Chinese brands doing this mostly), since I've had to deal with this on a BBK branded phone, locked down so far even ADB can't touch the bloat.
Google is also a part of this with play integrity and apps being blocked from working, so if you depend on Google or if you want to use that phone in your day-to-day life with apps from work or banking apps, it might not work great on the same phone.
In my opinion I think it is mostly the manufacturers fighting this, Google is solvable but a locked bootloader isn't.
- Spoofing SafetyNet used to be trivial, and not many apps depended on it; whereas these days, it's between hard and impossible to spoof Play Integrity, and it feels like much more apps depend on it. (At least, that's why I stopped rooting my phone.)
- If you want a non-bloated, mostly-AOSP ROM with updates for many years, installing LineageOS (or another third-party ROM) used to be the only option; whereas these days, the Pixel phones give you most of this, and you can just buy these in a store instead of needing to manually flash a ROM.
- The stock ROMs from most manufacturers are less horrible than they used to be. I'm not saying that they're great now, but there's a pretty huge difference between most new phones today and a KitKat-era cheap Samsung phone.
- As you said, I suspect that GrapheneOS has supplanted LineageOS for many of the enthusiast users.
I believe a lot of the enthusiasm we had at the start of the smartphone age is also now gone. The phone is now a boring device made for scrolling and running apps that are mandatory to participate in modern society.
> The phone is now a boring device made for scrolling and running apps that are mandatory to participate in modern society.
..a boring ¡spyware! device that tracks and listens to you!
Also you forgot to mention that you're sharing your personal and device details to our 1,893 e21 partners!
Really though, I'm just waiting for that AI agent that will help me shop online on my phone.. That's my vision of a perfect future!! /s
(how is this boring?:))
> NB: Since I'm on GrapheneOS now I haven't looked back
Not to suggest GrapheneOS has become the new "standard" given it currently only supports Pixels, but I hear a lot more about GrapheneOS as the custom Android build than LineageOS, so I wonder if a lot of people have moved there from LineageOS.
The other reason for a decline in custom ROMs may just be that apps are becoming more and more locked down. Banking apps are getting stricter all the time, so even the ones that work with custom ROMs today aren't guaranteed to work tomorrow. And more people probably use Google Wallet than ever, which also rules out custom ROMs AFAIK.
The people behind GrapheneOS have a really nasty attitude towards any OSS initiatives in the smartphone space that aren't GrapheneOS. Really soured me on using their ROM.
Could you please share some examples?
I often see them being on point and highlighting important details. Majority of custom roms aren't taking security seriously, so I don't think there's anything wrong with calling them out on that.
This[0] completely unreasonable lashing out at Unified Attestation, which is meant to offer at least some alternative to Google. GrapheneOS could join in on the effort, but instead they burn it to the ground with criticism and then threaten legal action with the cherry "at least they don't have Google-level money to defend themselves" on top.
[0]https://xcancel.com/GrapheneOS/status/2033572436860674551
I find it to be pretty reasonable, and also consistent with what GrapheneOS previously said. They were consistently against company-owned verification. I don't see anything offensive here: they aren't attacking individuals or projects, but rather attacking an approach that is harmful.
That's because Unified Attestation is unsalvageable. It's basically the same scam as Google's, with different owners doing (or wanting to do) the extortion.
Can you give examples of what you consider "nasty attitude" on their part? All criticism of other project I've seen was either cold, clinical technical criticism, or defense against slander propagated in the media against GrapheneOS.
I haven't seen GrapheneOS folks going out of their way to attack anyone.
See my other comment within this subthread.
yeah me too but to be honest they kinda have a point. android custom rom developers are such a meme
bugs: you tell me!
> volte is not working !
omfg ban that guy~!
I agree on the locked down part. Ever since I bought my first smartphone (HTC Desire) I've been flashing custom ROMs pretty much the day I bought it. In the beginning it was a hastle, then it became much easier. In 2021 and 2023 I bought a Xiaomi and it required registering before bootloader unlock was allowed. I didn't like I had to register, but did it anyway.
The real problem for me were the hard to come by blobs that needed flashing after certain updates. And the fact no official supported LineageOS build as available. That last one is mostly on my part for not checking before buying. But still, in the past pretty much any popular phone had one or more official builds supported on XDA. Nowadays you need to venture into Telegram groups scrolling over endless linear conversations of people asking the same issue over and over again. Maybe I'm just getting old, but what was wrong with using a (well structured) forum?
For me, I'm not that concerned with having contactless payments work. Although I did switch banks just to not have the Google Services/wallet requirement. That was short lived though, pretty much every contactless payment now only works with Google Wallet (ridiculous), I just gave up on it and pay by card instead.
I just want to get away from the fact Google Services is integrated into everything you do on your phone. The fact Google Wallet has access to not only the payments you make using NFC, but also the last x transactions on you bank account 'for fraud detection purposes' is quite insane if you ask me.
That's why I just run plain without Google Services (not even the sandboxed one by GrapheneOS) and accept the fact certain conveniences just isn't available for me.
I don't even miss rooting, which I mostly did in the past to have (non VPN based) add blocking on OS level. I just replaced most apps by their browser-based alterantives and use an add blocker there.
That android distro has suspicious sponsors and relentless bots advertising it everywhere. Not even getting into the fact they force users into opaque hardware where there is obvious interest to spy on people, just the other day they were also promoting the usage of government sponsored VPNs.
LineageOS is doing good as always, just without suspicious sources of revenue.
graphene has tons of sock puppet accounts shilling it
It's because of Google Play Services and the subsequent years long gutting of AOSPs application list. Google enforces OEMs to bundle their entire suite if they want to ship with Play Services and then uses that as an excuse to kill the basic AOSP phone apps that are outside of their ecosystem. That in turn harms the ability for Custom ROMs to ship basic apps like SMS readers, phone dialers and similar such, all of which used to be (maybe some still are, but they're all very much not well maintained) part of AOSP. If there's any silver lining, the upcoming play service blockade to install your own software on Android is likely going to at least create a burst of users for older devices.
The actual numbers are frankly even more disappointing - these numbers are heavily pushed up up by waydroid, which is an emulator for Android apps on Desktop Computing. More than half of the US installs is running Waydroid, with the actual most used real device in the US being nx_tab... which is LineageOS for the Nintendo Switch. That's a difference of 180k and 12k btw. The most used actual phone in the US for LineageOS is beyondx, which is the codename for the Galaxy S10 5g, a device that at a glance stopped being sold last year.
China by contrast fares much better when it comes to LineageOS (as Google Play Services isn't allowed in the country by export controls, the control from Google isn't nearly as strong there); the most used device there is actually a phone, the Xiaomi Mi 8 (dipper) and right behind it, the Xiaomi Mi 10T(/Pro) codenamed apollon.
Final country worth mentioning is Brazil, which apparently really likes the moto g7 power (ocean), a phone from roughly the same period as the Galaxy S10 5g.
Vietnam is also relatively high, with the Galaxy S7 (herolte) being the most used device. Russia is just a case where it's basically all waydroid users - not real phones.
At least from my understanding of the world, most of these numbers make sense if you consider them in proximity to US power, financial capabilities making phones last longer than their official support dates and just a rough idea of what phone brands are popular in which country.
I'm trying to use lineage at the minute, but xiaomi has made it next to impossible to even unlock the bootloader on my phone, and even then I'd likely need to move at least one of my banks as I seem to remember it not working on lineage, and I'm the target audience for a custom rom. For mass appeal it needs to be much easier, and without any compatibility issues with stock android. I cannot believe it's somehow standard to not allow bootloader unlocking on a device owned by the user, I am fully aware of the risks of it but phone companies insist on treating me like a complete idiot.
Honestly I just don't really care to anymore. I used to flash custom ROMs on all my phones because I could only afford cheap (100-200€) phones that were filled with bloatware, but ever since I started being able to afford a decent mid-range phone (Pixel 6a was the first one I didn't reflash) I just found out I wasn't actually missing anything, and I definitely enjoy things like contactless payments, and not having something randomly break every time I update.
Now that manufacturers support their devices for 5+ years and ROMs are actually quite usable out of the box, the need for custom ROMs is much lower. Plus, some convenience apps require things like remote attestation, getting in the way of users. I suspect a significant chunk of the serious ROM user base is also lost to GrapheneOS these days.
Even Samsung is fine with a quick debloating session you can do through WebUSB these days. The only phones I'd really need a custom ROM on these days are those certain Chinese brands that stuff their phone with absolute garbage. Compared to the days where a custom ROM would be faster and updates would end after half a year, if they happened at all, I barely have a reason to use a custom ROM these days.
It's a combination of anti-competitive practices from Google (Play Integrity, more and more features locked behind closed source binaries instead of AOSP) and manufacturer locking the bootloaders much more than in the past.
Have used LOS for a decade but then switched to GrapheneOS a few years ago. Both projects are a godsend though.
Surprised to see there're only one million devices with lineage OS installed. I personally installed it on a few amazon fire tablets. I thought it would be more than 10m devices at least.
The stats collection is opt-in
Notice the most LineageOS installs is Waydroid...
I miss the free era from 10 years ago. Back then it was probably still called CM.
Now manufacturers are extremely closed: Xiaomi started by making Android ROMs, but today the most practical way to unlock its BL is through exploits...
I remember on xda with my Galaxy S Plus i9001 [1], we had:
- dual boot [2]
- Ubuntu touch [3]
- different kernels with various optimizations, overclocking, etc
- an absurd amount of ROMs, aside from CyanogenMod and LineagesOS there was ParanoidAndroid, Carbon, JellyBean, AICP, plus all the ROMs made specifically by users for this phone
- the latest linux kernel, somebody just compiled it for AOSP, I think it was version 3 or 4 against 2, which was the standard for every other phone, it ended up on some tech news website
I think It was a really great modding scene and a lot of people learnt stuff from that. Mainly by bricking their phones and having to fix them.
[1] https://xdaforums.com/f/galaxy-s-plus-i9001-android-developm...
[2] https://xdaforums.com/t/app-kernel-dual-boot-s-plus.2462783
[3] https://xdaforums.com/t/new-test-porting-ubuntu-touch.238260...
Note that these are the statistics coming from people who are willing to share statistics. Quite a few privacy-minded individuals use these ROMs but don't want to send telemetry, which means those installs don't make it into the statistics.
The large amount of Waydroid and Switch installs surprised me a little, but overall this is about what I expected in terms of distribution.
Note that these stats are based on opt-in data gathering.
I doubt whether those US numbers are real, lot of custom rom development/user base has been asian & european market in last decade even though the numbers have been decreasing over the decade (I don't have proof)...
Using a custom ROM is not the same as using LineageOS in particular. Also, the numbers imply just 23% of LineageOS installs are in the US.
Partially agree, as LOS is no where used as OEM and people familar with custom rom eventually would have used LOS (not mendatory but the numbers would relate)
PSA: LineageOS has some unofficial builds which works on earlier gen Amazon devices. I turned an Echo Show from an annoying ad machine into the device a Chumby always could have been.
Would something like E/OS be considered a Official or Unofficial builds? I suppose Unofficial since it is a fork?
they need to make a official GSI. until they do not they ll continue to decline.
Exactly. Of course not everything will work on every device, but they're not even going in that direction (like by incorporating/extending PHH patches) despite acknowledging that most devices won't be officially supported.
Wow, that's not the distribution I expected; waydroid beats any other version... Though I guess that's not apples-apples since it aggregates any physical device running waydroid... And also I didn't expect unofficial builds to be so popular.
Wonder how much of those Waydroid installs are from scam farms. I can imagine some legit uses, but not this amount.
I'd be impressed if emulators are winning against big-tech in the spam wars. But perhaps there's spam uses that don't require the best antidetection.
If emulators worked, what's the point of those giant phone farms?
I don't know anything about this, so take it with a grain of salt.
I am just under the impression that a cheap real android is the fastest cheapest way to get a trustworthy-looking device for spamming purposes.
TIL waydroid...
That's really depressing.
Why so many Waydroid installs?
What are those names?
Code names for phones, all android builds (including official ones) have them.
https://storage.googleapis.com/play_public/supported_devices...
For a slightly more manageable list, the 590 of those that are or were supported officially are also listed on the LineageOS wiki [1].
[1] https://wiki.lineageos.org/devices/
My device is not even listed there, so I suppose many others also run Lineage on plenty of unvendored devices.
Dipper is the Xiaomi Mi 8
12 installs in North Korea