Hey guys, I really appreciate all of the attention this post has received. I honestly thought it was going to be just a small project to help some of my friends get into reading research papers.
A large number of people complained about how intense some of the backgrounds/animations were (I might have been a bit too focused on making something that looked cool over usability). In response I have added toggles for both the movement on the page and the backgrounds for the papers.
Other people mentioned that they would have liked some more personalised reflections on each paper. I currently have already done some of these for the more popular papers on my X @notmcrowley . I would have no problem adding these to the site if people think it will help. I feel the need to warn that I have not been formally educated on ML or AI so any interpretation will just be mine and may not necessarily be the correct one. (If anyone with more experience would like to contribute to this feel free to reach out).
Please add them on the site for those of us who have never had Twitter and don’t plan to open one ever. Thanks for this compilation, I am — like your friends — trying to get into reading research papers and this is right up my alley right now.
Author here. First year CS student at Trinity College Dublin. I Built this because when I was getting into reading research papers I ended up burning a ton of my Claude usage asking questions other people have probably already asked. The website is just a side project and definitely a WIP. Happy to answer questions or take PRs on GitHub.
The problem is the background is often times doing a wave motion across the screen.
Then the foreground content is doing an in/out undulation on top. So you’re seeing an undulating in/out in every possible direction + the background. And the foreground animations are all at the same time. So it’s not that we’re emphasizing any one thing. We’re emphasizing all of it.
The key with animations is in what they’re trying to draw attention to, the character of the movement, and the timing of it. You usually don’t want everything to equally animate at once.
I would:
• Use background movement that also isn’t a “wave”
• Stagger the timing of foreground animations so the main content is emphasized, followed by a pause, followed by the sidebars
• Change the nature of the animations so they’re not doing the same essentially thing “zoom and pan” - so have the center zoom and pan, but do something different for the sides.
As an aside, I've seen folks mention respecting reduced animation hints and such in the past and was always curious about this because I've never had any negative experiences with animations... until now!
Something about the animations on this site did my brain in while scrolling through the papers, and now I "get it."
Hey thanks for checking out the website. I did not expect this to get as much attention as it did. I was honestly just planning on having it as a small side project for my friends and some others who would like to get into this kind of stuff. I will definitely annotate them in the future if that is something that people would appreciate. I currently have something like this done for a few papers on my X account.
Yes, I expected annotations, so please add. I know you named the site 30 papers, but I don't think anyone will hold you to it if you add more papers to it as you read and annotate more, or allow others to do so.
I mean, you don't have to annotate them :) Would I love to read annotations? Sure - but it's a boatload of work for you, and if it's just meant as a repo for you and your friends, no need to do a ton of work just because an Internet rando asked.
But given the sudden wide audience, a quick "here's what this is for" at the top might be helpful.
Hi ! The "artistic direction" is a bit original, but that's your thing, and you're free to present it anyway you want, of course !
I think the biggest problem people / I had when reading the list was the "based on a rumoured list of papers that Ilya Sutskever gave to John Carmack."
Where did you get the "rumoured list" from ? Why should a reader trust the rumours ? That seems to be a pretty big appeal to authority, and it's okay if it's only "word of mouth" (as most papers seems legit), but it's really weird not to give a source, or a backstory, or references, etc...
The list came from a post on X by ex-OpenAI employee Andrew Carr. There are multiple lists floating around which is why I said rumoured. I found this to be a more credible source than others though given Sutskever's connection to OpenAI so I used it.
There are summaries for each paper on the landing page. Also as you read the papers, key/difficult words are highlighted and you can click on them to get a simple definition quickly. A few people have asked for write ups on what my takeaways from each paper were so I am currently working on that.
If there are any suggestions that anyone has for things that would help them with the papers I will definitely add them. My main goal is to make this as easy as possible for people to use
Thanks for sharing this. It appears your README.md's first paragraph is truncated. It ends with "Carmack which reportedly contains..." What were you intending to say next?
I wish this were organized according to suggested/logical reading order. For example, the paper introducing the attention mechanism probably ought to precede "attention is all you need".
For beginners I'd recommend the Welch Labs Illustrated Guide To AI if your not well versed in reading papers. Its a beautiful book that I've enjoyed going through. I'd recommend going through these papers after reading that to get a deep understanding.
After seeing this for the first time, I've build PdfToMp3 to listen to these papers. It has now evolved into ListenDock. Fun fact: PdfToMp3 existed before NotebookLM and I already had "overviews", but I called them teacher explanations.
Here is an example of a "Teacher Explanation" of the paper "Quantifying the Rise and Fall of Complexity in Closed Systems: The Coffee Automaton"
I haven’t looked at your other comments but the answer is your comment isn’t valuable.
Text to speech summarizing is a dime a dozen. Your audience here prefers reading a blog and is already annoyed by ai vs written by a human content so what you are offering is the opposite of what they want.
Ok, thanks for the viewpoint, that makes sense. I use AI summaries every day and find it very valuable. But I also see the trend e.g. on Reddit, that people are very dismissive of ai content.
Noting the theory papers on Kolmorogov complexity. For those not familiar, Ilya argues that the reason why neural networks generalize -- why they work at all -- is because they are effectively finding a simple description of their training data, converging down onto the limit of the Kolmorogov complexity. [1]
always a fun day when someone rediscovers these. Lucky 10000
in case folks are interested, i wrote up a ~layman's review of each paper over the course of two years a while back. Several of those reviews ended up doing reasonably well on hn. Full analysis of the ~23 docs that were papers and not massive books
I was confused for a minute, I thought this was "top 30 papers by Ilya" and was then wondering why "Quantifying the Rise and Fall of Complexity in Closed Systems: The Coffee Automaton" is on the list.
> In additition, even though I have read the vast majority of the papers featured on the website, I have not read through each of the website's versions end to end.
Website's versions, as in - the actual text or the "explanations"? Either way this is a big red flag.
In my opinion, whether it was actually by Ilya or not is not worthy of debate. Many of them are widely recognized for being good pedagogical resources (e.g. annotated transformer, unreasonable effectiveness of RNNs, understanding LSTM networks), and others are landmark papers which anyone interested in the field would benefit from reading:
- Krizhevsky et al. (2012) introduced AlexNet
- Bahdanau et al. (2014) introduced attention
- He et al. (2015) introduced ResNet
- Vaswani et al. (2017) introduced the Transformer
Other papers are more specialized. Of them, I think Kaplan et al. (2020) by OpenAI is probably most important.
Even if Ilya didn't really create this list I have a very good opinion about every paper on this page that I've read (most of them) so I think it's a great resource.
Lately during my off time I want to do something related to AI research (which I am already doing full time atm so I need something light) and I am for sure going to read through this.
Someone posts on X, "These are Ilya’s 30 papers", gives no source, doesn't say where he got it from, and isn't connected to either Ilya or Carmack (Ilya gave him the list).
Then someone vibe codes a barely usable website based on that, and it lands on the HN front page? Is this correct?
It's always fun to remember how rude people were about Dropbox on here.
More seriously though, in many ways HN is a pretty broad church. You're always going to get a spectrum of opinions, and some portion of people are always going to be particularly forceful about putting forth their opinion. Maybe it's a bad day, maybe it's habit, varies from person to person and day to day, etc.
But I think, if you're posting something to HN (or, really, any large internet forum), negative feedback - and dismissive feedback - is something you need to be prepared for as part and parcel of the experience because it often is going to happen.
Not that I agree with the person you're responding to - their remark struck me as quite a mean-spirited and unnecessary comment, and I very much prefer your perspective.
Anyway, I've bookmarked the site so make of that what you will.
> negative feedback - and dismissive feedback - is something you need to be prepared
OK. Let's RFM: first line = "Be kind. Don't be snarky. Converse curiously; don't cross-examine. Edit out swipes."
So, no, it's not HN-OK for rude & unfounded feedback to make it to the top comment.
Even if the website is "bad" (i.e. those 30 papers were never linked to Ilya etc.), the proper way of handling this is to call it out in a neutral way.
I think you're misunderstanding me or over-interpreting what I've said. I'm not justifying or excusing the unkind behaviour, and I'm aware of the site terms on HN.
What I'm saying is that in large online forums - regardless of terms of use - some people are unkind, and that it's a good idea to be prepared for that when you post something publicly.
fwiw for all the praise that dang & co get, they moderated this website into this state. there is a "blessed" way to break the rules and be a total asshole to people here, and there is the "other" way, that they punish relentlessly. we all have bad days, but HN's comments are just an exhausting cesspool of cynicism and cheap takes for the most part these days.
> some portion of people are always going to be particularly forceful about putting forth their opinion. Maybe it's a bad day, maybe it's habit, varies from person to person and day to day, etc.
I have no problem that someone had a bad reaction to this and needs to vent, I have a problem that the community deems it the most noteworthy comment and keeps it voted to the very top of the thread.
Probably a lot of people voting aren't aware of the terms of use. But, at any rate, it's certainly not the top comment now - it often takes a couple of hours or so for voting to settle out and the initial top comment quite often doesn't stay that way.
It's hard sometimes because say it's something that I wrote but someone else posted to HN, I've just had a lot of people's opinions foisted on me.
I'm relatively immune to a lot of things, but we're also entering a world where a lot of people can build and might not expect to have potentially millions of people critiquing their work to the level they do.
We are way past that point now. It's a common tendency around here, especially taking into account how often those type of posts are actually the ones on the top. Gladly we still have people like your parent to call them out immediately.
Yeah, but eventually the downvoting/community moderation will do its work: it just takes a few hours sometimes. But the original unkind remark has gone from top level comment to nowhere near the top of the discussion (at least I haven't managed to find it other than via my own profile because of all the newer and more upvoted discussion that's happened) fairly quickly.
That's just hn for you. Not that it's a good thing (as per me at least), but that's what hn is, no matter how much it (or few from here) tries to think/pretend otherwise.
It actually got to the front page though? I think what's more ironic is that the top comment thread on this is devolving into a discussion about hacker news meta and nobody in the comments section has written even 1 line about what these papers are or the subject or how useful they/the website is. Yes that is correct.
I tend to be amused that the complaints about what’s on the front page don’t seem to grasp the irony of complaining to the group of people that voted it there.
No. It's quality control. This is a classic clickbait formula headline with 0 backing. I just typed "list 30 papers to get me started in machine learning" into an llm and got 27/30 of these...
This page is an LLM prompt response as a list of jpegs with a fake title. You can probably just add "and prepare it as a webpage with image previews for each" ...
I think we can do better than someone shitposting a sentence into openclaw and getting it to the frontpage.
People on here are actually building 100 billion dollar companies, publishing in prestigious journals, maintaining transcontinental infrastructures with global reach... let's hear from them instead of a mac mini going burr for 15 seconds.
First year CD student excited to learn puts together a website, and more experienced guys makes a shitty comment that puts things into context. Then someone makes a funny comment mimicking its structure. Is that correct?
Ah, the graveyard of "things I'll read when I have time". I know it well. Then there's the mass grave of "dead links to things I'll check against the Wayback Machine when I have the time to look them up to add back to the graveyard of things I'll read when I have time".
at least you haven't optimized a workflow to convert the page to markdown file, download locally into some folder that you watched 30 youtube videos on how to organize your knowledge graph....to never read later, or to burn 10s of Ks of tokens to build into karpathy wiki knowledge tree....
I thought the actual 30 papers have never been disclosed. Do you have a source tying the recommendations back to Ilya, or did you come up with this list?
The list I got was from ex-OpenAI employee Andrew Carr on X. I believe he said in his post however that the list he uploaded is not the full list they were provided at OpenAI however.
Thanks for the effort; I have a little feedback:
- Very few of these are labeled with a clear reference to source and date (think APA style).
- They don't seem to be in order chronologically. I would think "essential" papers would be read from the earlier "foundational" works up to the more recent ones that work on them.
- The oldest ones seem to date to the 2010s. I think it would be hard to jump in at such a recent point. The basics of machine learning come from the 1960s-70s.
If you want to improve it I would recommend coming up with a sequential "reading list" including a few classic papers, some intermediate advancements (frequently referenced), and then a few new, cutting edge articles.
So the styling and animation work looks really cool (when isolated), but they distract from the content itself, IMO.
I think it'd work better if you featured the animated background effect toward the top of the page and shifted toward static graphics (or much subtler animations) as the user scrolls.
And I don't think the zoom-out effect on the listing cards has the intended effect; I found myself wanting to get a better look at the papers and was a little disappointed/annoyed when they got smaller and harder to see as I pulled them into view.
The colors/shadows/layout all looks really nice, but I feel like the animations (as-is) ultimately detract from the experience rather than add to it. Thanks for sharing, though!
If you find this interesting, you should look into Solomonoff induction. It combines Kolmogorov complexity with Bayes rule to provide a general framework for inductive inference, and naturally formalizes Occam's razor.
I wouldn't say so about Occam's Razor which is a heuristic.
The relationship between compression and intelligence, while not equal is definitely there. It looks like 3Blue1Brown is going to be doing some videos on this aspect.
It’s very easy to check & see there’s at least one paper from 2023. Also it takes time to know which papers are influential. But better to contribute than speculate… what are the seminal ML papers from the last 6 years that should be on the list?
This is a beautiful way to present extremely high quality information. I sometimes lament the unpleasant friction involved in finding and reading academic papers (the overly formal style is a necessary evil, but the irritating paywalls, followed by inevitable searches for '%{title} filetype:pdf' feel like unnecessary ones).
Why on earth would you deliberately choose to do whatever the fuck it is you did with the scroll and the animations for each paper when scrolling through the landing page? What are those animations supposed to be? I use firefox but I also visited on chrome, and the page is even more broken there. Scroll doesn't "take" unless I scroll hard enough, otherwise it bounces back. But on chrome, at least, it seems like the animation for each paper is clearer - it's supposed to be animating the scale of the paper as you scroll to it.. but it seems that your background animation is lagging everything so much it just doesn't work.
The formatting of the articles on this website is bad. I've opened the first one and all the LaTeX formulas are messed up. The subscripts and superscripts are all flattened rendering the math hard to comprehend. Did the author actually try to read any of the articles?
>∏ plocal(x|z) = i p(xi|z,xWindowAround(i))
Images and tables are not rendered at all. What is the point of this? Just keep the links to arxiv and leave it at that, otherwise render the articles properly
Hey guys, I really appreciate all of the attention this post has received. I honestly thought it was going to be just a small project to help some of my friends get into reading research papers.
A large number of people complained about how intense some of the backgrounds/animations were (I might have been a bit too focused on making something that looked cool over usability). In response I have added toggles for both the movement on the page and the backgrounds for the papers.
Other people mentioned that they would have liked some more personalised reflections on each paper. I currently have already done some of these for the more popular papers on my X @notmcrowley . I would have no problem adding these to the site if people think it will help. I feel the need to warn that I have not been formally educated on ML or AI so any interpretation will just be mine and may not necessarily be the correct one. (If anyone with more experience would like to contribute to this feel free to reach out).
Please add them on the site for those of us who have never had Twitter and don’t plan to open one ever. Thanks for this compilation, I am — like your friends — trying to get into reading research papers and this is right up my alley right now.
Even with the motion/background button toggles you are still left with tiny fonts that make it hard to read.
It actually made me check my browser wasn't set to zoom out. But then using zoom changes nothing, which breaks accessibility.
Also why does the header need to take up 3/4 of the screen?
[edit] Clicking on a paper doesn't even bring the paper up. I have to hit another click to get to it.
Author here. First year CS student at Trinity College Dublin. I Built this because when I was getting into reading research papers I ended up burning a ton of my Claude usage asking questions other people have probably already asked. The website is just a side project and definitely a WIP. Happy to answer questions or take PRs on GitHub.
An option to disable animation and show the paper links in a simple list would be helpful.
The problem is the background is often times doing a wave motion across the screen.
Then the foreground content is doing an in/out undulation on top. So you’re seeing an undulating in/out in every possible direction + the background. And the foreground animations are all at the same time. So it’s not that we’re emphasizing any one thing. We’re emphasizing all of it.
The key with animations is in what they’re trying to draw attention to, the character of the movement, and the timing of it. You usually don’t want everything to equally animate at once.
I would: • Use background movement that also isn’t a “wave” • Stagger the timing of foreground animations so the main content is emphasized, followed by a pause, followed by the sidebars • Change the nature of the animations so they’re not doing the same essentially thing “zoom and pan” - so have the center zoom and pan, but do something different for the sides.
Agree on the animation.
As an aside, I've seen folks mention respecting reduced animation hints and such in the past and was always curious about this because I've never had any negative experiences with animations... until now!
Something about the animations on this site did my brain in while scrolling through the papers, and now I "get it."
I think it'd be interesting to hear what you think the goal of the site is.
Is it just rehosting the list, plus a reformatted copy of the papers? I was hoping you'd have at least annotated them with what you'd learned?
Hey thanks for checking out the website. I did not expect this to get as much attention as it did. I was honestly just planning on having it as a small side project for my friends and some others who would like to get into this kind of stuff. I will definitely annotate them in the future if that is something that people would appreciate. I currently have something like this done for a few papers on my X account.
Yes, I expected annotations, so please add. I know you named the site 30 papers, but I don't think anyone will hold you to it if you add more papers to it as you read and annotate more, or allow others to do so.
I mean, you don't have to annotate them :) Would I love to read annotations? Sure - but it's a boatload of work for you, and if it's just meant as a repo for you and your friends, no need to do a ton of work just because an Internet rando asked.
But given the sudden wide audience, a quick "here's what this is for" at the top might be helpful.
> I think it'd be interesting to hear what you think the goal of the site is.
why do you care? this is a disingenuous question.
Hi ! The "artistic direction" is a bit original, but that's your thing, and you're free to present it anyway you want, of course !
I think the biggest problem people / I had when reading the list was the "based on a rumoured list of papers that Ilya Sutskever gave to John Carmack."
Where did you get the "rumoured list" from ? Why should a reader trust the rumours ? That seems to be a pretty big appeal to authority, and it's okay if it's only "word of mouth" (as most papers seems legit), but it's really weird not to give a source, or a backstory, or references, etc...
Especially since you claim to only have 27 ;)
The list came from a post on X by ex-OpenAI employee Andrew Carr. There are multiple lists floating around which is why I said rumoured. I found this to be a more credible source than others though given Sutskever's connection to OpenAI so I used it.
What is the easily accessible part? Just that they are on one website? At first I thought there would be more explanation or other addons.
There are summaries for each paper on the landing page. Also as you read the papers, key/difficult words are highlighted and you can click on them to get a simple definition quickly. A few people have asked for write ups on what my takeaways from each paper were so I am currently working on that.
If there are any suggestions that anyone has for things that would help them with the papers I will definitely add them. My main goal is to make this as easy as possible for people to use
Thanks for sharing this. It appears your README.md's first paragraph is truncated. It ends with "Carmack which reportedly contains..." What were you intending to say next?
I wish this were organized according to suggested/logical reading order. For example, the paper introducing the attention mechanism probably ought to precede "attention is all you need".
Second this! And if the papers are in "logical reading order", it would be very useful if this is stated on top!
For beginners I'd recommend the Welch Labs Illustrated Guide To AI if your not well versed in reading papers. Its a beautiful book that I've enjoyed going through. I'd recommend going through these papers after reading that to get a deep understanding.
Bought because of this comment. Thanks!
After seeing this for the first time, I've build PdfToMp3 to listen to these papers. It has now evolved into ListenDock. Fun fact: PdfToMp3 existed before NotebookLM and I already had "overviews", but I called them teacher explanations.
Here is an example of a "Teacher Explanation" of the paper "Quantifying the Rise and Fall of Complexity in Closed Systems: The Coffee Automaton"
https://listendock.com/e/quantifying_the_rise_and_fall_of_co...
Why do I get downvoted whenever I post something here? Do you think its too spammy? Because its AI? Do I have a downvote bot following me?
I haven’t looked at your other comments but the answer is your comment isn’t valuable.
Text to speech summarizing is a dime a dozen. Your audience here prefers reading a blog and is already annoyed by ai vs written by a human content so what you are offering is the opposite of what they want.
Ok, thanks for the viewpoint, that makes sense. I use AI summaries every day and find it very valuable. But I also see the trend e.g. on Reddit, that people are very dismissive of ai content.
Noting the theory papers on Kolmorogov complexity. For those not familiar, Ilya argues that the reason why neural networks generalize -- why they work at all -- is because they are effectively finding a simple description of their training data, converging down onto the limit of the Kolmorogov complexity. [1]
[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKMuA_TVz3A
That's true of all statistical models, it's not some magic property of neural networks.
always a fun day when someone rediscovers these. Lucky 10000
in case folks are interested, i wrote up a ~layman's review of each paper over the course of two years a while back. Several of those reviews ended up doing reasonably well on hn. Full analysis of the ~23 docs that were papers and not massive books
https://12gramsofcarbon.com/p/ilyas-30-papers-to-carmack-tab...
I was confused for a minute, I thought this was "top 30 papers by Ilya" and was then wondering why "Quantifying the Rise and Fall of Complexity in Closed Systems: The Coffee Automaton" is on the list.
> In additition, even though I have read the vast majority of the papers featured on the website, I have not read through each of the website's versions end to end.
Website's versions, as in - the actual text or the "explanations"? Either way this is a big red flag.
Nice presentation of the list!
I'd recommend watching a few of his talks/podcasts before during reading these to get the overview and how all the bits in these works tie together.
https://www.dwarkesh.com/p/ilya-sutskever
https://simons.berkeley.edu/talks/ilya-sutskever-openai-2023...
https://www.dwarkesh.com/p/ilya-sutskever-2
Possibly the original X tweet that popularized this list? 2024, 876k views
https://x.com/keshavchan/status/1787861946173186062
In my opinion, whether it was actually by Ilya or not is not worthy of debate. Many of them are widely recognized for being good pedagogical resources (e.g. annotated transformer, unreasonable effectiveness of RNNs, understanding LSTM networks), and others are landmark papers which anyone interested in the field would benefit from reading:
- Krizhevsky et al. (2012) introduced AlexNet
- Bahdanau et al. (2014) introduced attention
- He et al. (2015) introduced ResNet
- Vaswani et al. (2017) introduced the Transformer
Other papers are more specialized. Of them, I think Kaplan et al. (2020) by OpenAI is probably most important.
Even if Ilya didn't really create this list I have a very good opinion about every paper on this page that I've read (most of them) so I think it's a great resource. Lately during my off time I want to do something related to AI research (which I am already doing full time atm so I need something light) and I am for sure going to read through this.
No need stupid moving texts.
CS231n: Convolutional Neural Networks for Visual Recognition - https://cs231n.github.io/
The Unreasonable Effectiveness of Recurrent Neural Networks - https://karpathy.github.io/2015/05/21/rnn-effectiveness/
Understanding LSTM Networks - https://colah.github.io/posts/2015-08-Understanding-LSTMs/
ImageNet Classification with Deep Convolutional Neural Networks - https://papers.nips.cc/paper/2012/hash/c399862d3b9d6b76c8436...
Deep Residual Learning for Image Recognition - https://arxiv.org/abs/1512.03385
Multi-Scale Context Aggregation by Dilated Convolutions - https://arxiv.org/abs/1511.07122
Identity Mappings in Deep Residual Networks - https://arxiv.org/abs/1603.05027
Recurrent Neural Network Regularization - https://arxiv.org/abs/1409.2329
Deep Speech 2: End-to-End Speech Recognition in English and Mandarin - https://arxiv.org/abs/1512.02595
Order Matters: Sequence to Sequence for Sets - https://arxiv.org/abs/1511.06391
Neural Machine Translation by Jointly Learning to Align and Translate - https://arxiv.org/abs/1409.0473
Pointer Networks - https://arxiv.org/abs/1506.03134
Attention Is All You Need - https://arxiv.org/abs/1706.03762
The Annotated Transformer - https://nlp.seas.harvard.edu/annotated-transformer/
Neural Turing Machines - https://arxiv.org/abs/1410.5401
A Simple Neural Network Module for Relational Reasoning - https://arxiv.org/abs/1706.01427
Relational Recurrent Neural Networks - https://arxiv.org/abs/1806.01822
Neural Message Passing for Quantum Chemistry - https://arxiv.org/abs/1704.01212
Scaling Laws for Neural Language Models - https://arxiv.org/abs/2001.08361
GPipe: Efficient Training of Giant Neural Networks using Pipeline Parallelism - https://arxiv.org/abs/1811.06965
Keeping Neural Networks Simple by Minimizing the Description Length of the Weights - https://www.cs.toronto.edu/~hinton/absps/colt93.pdf
A Tutorial Introduction to the Minimum Description Length Principle - https://arxiv.org/abs/math/0406077
The First Law of Complexodynamics - https://scottaaronson.blog/?p=762
Quantifying the Rise and Fall of Complexity in Closed Systems: The Coffee Automaton - https://arxiv.org/abs/1405.6903
Kolmogorov Complexity - https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/book/10.1002/047174882X
Variational Lossy Autoencoder - https://arxiv.org/abs/1611.02731
Machine Super Intelligence - https://www.vetta.org/documents/Machine_Super_Intelligence.p...
Upvoted. Did you compile that list just now, pulled it from bookmarks, or other source?
In their github, they have json mapping. And I used some simple javascript.
``` console.log( Object.values(jsonObj) .map(v => `${v.title} - ${v.sourceUrl}`) .join('\n\n') ); ```
Notebooklm would be a perfect home for these
this is a goldmine, worth bookmarking.
Sutskever's List : https://www.manning.com/books/sutskevers-list
Someone posts on X, "These are Ilya’s 30 papers", gives no source, doesn't say where he got it from, and isn't connected to either Ilya or Carmack (Ilya gave him the list).
Then someone vibe codes a barely usable website based on that, and it lands on the HN front page? Is this correct?
First year CS student excited to learn about a thing puts together a small website of academic papers, posts it to HN to share with others.
Then someone makes a shitty comment. Is that correct?
It's always fun to remember how rude people were about Dropbox on here.
More seriously though, in many ways HN is a pretty broad church. You're always going to get a spectrum of opinions, and some portion of people are always going to be particularly forceful about putting forth their opinion. Maybe it's a bad day, maybe it's habit, varies from person to person and day to day, etc.
But I think, if you're posting something to HN (or, really, any large internet forum), negative feedback - and dismissive feedback - is something you need to be prepared for as part and parcel of the experience because it often is going to happen.
Not that I agree with the person you're responding to - their remark struck me as quite a mean-spirited and unnecessary comment, and I very much prefer your perspective.
Anyway, I've bookmarked the site so make of that what you will.
> negative feedback - and dismissive feedback - is something you need to be prepared
OK. Let's RFM: first line = "Be kind. Don't be snarky. Converse curiously; don't cross-examine. Edit out swipes."
So, no, it's not HN-OK for rude & unfounded feedback to make it to the top comment.
Even if the website is "bad" (i.e. those 30 papers were never linked to Ilya etc.), the proper way of handling this is to call it out in a neutral way.
I think you're misunderstanding me or over-interpreting what I've said. I'm not justifying or excusing the unkind behaviour, and I'm aware of the site terms on HN.
What I'm saying is that in large online forums - regardless of terms of use - some people are unkind, and that it's a good idea to be prepared for that when you post something publicly.
fwiw for all the praise that dang & co get, they moderated this website into this state. there is a "blessed" way to break the rules and be a total asshole to people here, and there is the "other" way, that they punish relentlessly. we all have bad days, but HN's comments are just an exhausting cesspool of cynicism and cheap takes for the most part these days.
dang does not scale. It’s on us to make this place how we want it to be. Every comment matters
> some portion of people are always going to be particularly forceful about putting forth their opinion. Maybe it's a bad day, maybe it's habit, varies from person to person and day to day, etc.
I have no problem that someone had a bad reaction to this and needs to vent, I have a problem that the community deems it the most noteworthy comment and keeps it voted to the very top of the thread.
Probably a lot of people voting aren't aware of the terms of use. But, at any rate, it's certainly not the top comment now - it often takes a couple of hours or so for voting to settle out and the initial top comment quite often doesn't stay that way.
The criticisms are valid, though: no source, no connection to the source.
You would think a university student would understand the importance of citing sources.
It's hard sometimes because say it's something that I wrote but someone else posted to HN, I've just had a lot of people's opinions foisted on me.
I'm relatively immune to a lot of things, but we're also entering a world where a lot of people can build and might not expect to have potentially millions of people critiquing their work to the level they do.
I think this is one reason people like asking LLMs things. They have many downsides, but they're never rude or belittling.
We are way past that point now. It's a common tendency around here, especially taking into account how often those type of posts are actually the ones on the top. Gladly we still have people like your parent to call them out immediately.
Yeah, but eventually the downvoting/community moderation will do its work: it just takes a few hours sometimes. But the original unkind remark has gone from top level comment to nowhere near the top of the discussion (at least I haven't managed to find it other than via my own profile because of all the newer and more upvoted discussion that's happened) fairly quickly.
That's just hn for you. Not that it's a good thing (as per me at least), but that's what hn is, no matter how much it (or few from here) tries to think/pretend otherwise.
Shitty comment?
From my point of view the Jedi are Evil
It actually got to the front page though? I think what's more ironic is that the top comment thread on this is devolving into a discussion about hacker news meta and nobody in the comments section has written even 1 line about what these papers are or the subject or how useful they/the website is. Yes that is correct.
I tend to be amused that the complaints about what’s on the front page don’t seem to grasp the irony of complaining to the group of people that voted it there.
No. It's quality control. This is a classic clickbait formula headline with 0 backing. I just typed "list 30 papers to get me started in machine learning" into an llm and got 27/30 of these...
This page is an LLM prompt response as a list of jpegs with a fake title. You can probably just add "and prepare it as a webpage with image previews for each" ...
I think we can do better than someone shitposting a sentence into openclaw and getting it to the frontpage.
People on here are actually building 100 billion dollar companies, publishing in prestigious journals, maintaining transcontinental infrastructures with global reach... let's hear from them instead of a mac mini going burr for 15 seconds.
First year CS student is already vibe coding something which lacks basic presentation skills.
If he was really excited he would have put an effort and he wouldn't clickbate submission title.
But alas here we are, perhaps we should give him particpation star for effort.
100% correct (anyone on hn for longer than 3 months will recognize that this is exactly the culture here).
First year CD student excited to learn puts together a website, and more experienced guys makes a shitty comment that puts things into context. Then someone makes a funny comment mimicking its structure. Is that correct?
Many here mistake passive aggressiveness for civility. So does the rule enforcement.
> First year CS student
...who somehow hasn't yet learned the importance of citing sources?
Any and all criticism is deserved.
not shitty enough
Compiled resources for nerds are catnip. Hit that bookmark/upvote button to never get to it :)
I feel seen. Straight to the "stuff to read later" bookmark pile/mausoleum :)
Ah, the graveyard of "things I'll read when I have time". I know it well. Then there's the mass grave of "dead links to things I'll check against the Wayback Machine when I have the time to look them up to add back to the graveyard of things I'll read when I have time".
at least you haven't optimized a workflow to convert the page to markdown file, download locally into some folder that you watched 30 youtube videos on how to organize your knowledge graph....to never read later, or to burn 10s of Ks of tokens to build into karpathy wiki knowledge tree....
One time my brother upgraded his RAM so he could keep more tabs open. I think he was up to a couple hundred.
Rookie numbers! You gotta pump those numbers up!
I wish this was more wrong.
attention is all you need
they kind of mention the source on their website though
" rumoured list of papers that Ilya Sutskever gave to John Carmack. "
there is aslo manning book called illya list
https://www.manning.com/books/sutskevers-list
Useful list, but just needs an awesome list with links: https://github.com/ianchanning/ilya-sutskever-recommended-re...
> anything that gratifies one's intellectual curiosity
close enough imo
any apparently 400 voters too.
There's a reason for the word "eternal" in "Eternal September".
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Has anyone tried just asking John Carmack...?
I thought the actual 30 papers have never been disclosed. Do you have a source tying the recommendations back to Ilya, or did you come up with this list?
I think someone on Twitter made it up. It was also 40 papers, not 30. https://dallasinnovates.com/exclusive-qa-john-carmacks-diffe...
The list I got was from ex-OpenAI employee Andrew Carr on X. I believe he said in his post however that the list he uploaded is not the full list they were provided at OpenAI however.
This list was made by some guy on twitter. https://x.com/keshavchan/status/1787861946173186062
It's unknown whether it has anything to do with Ilya Sutskever.
Thanks for the effort; I have a little feedback: - Very few of these are labeled with a clear reference to source and date (think APA style). - They don't seem to be in order chronologically. I would think "essential" papers would be read from the earlier "foundational" works up to the more recent ones that work on them. - The oldest ones seem to date to the 2010s. I think it would be hard to jump in at such a recent point. The basics of machine learning come from the 1960s-70s.
If you want to improve it I would recommend coming up with a sequential "reading list" including a few classic papers, some intermediate advancements (frequently referenced), and then a few new, cutting edge articles.
So the styling and animation work looks really cool (when isolated), but they distract from the content itself, IMO.
I think it'd work better if you featured the animated background effect toward the top of the page and shifted toward static graphics (or much subtler animations) as the user scrolls.
And I don't think the zoom-out effect on the listing cards has the intended effect; I found myself wanting to get a better look at the papers and was a little disappointed/annoyed when they got smaller and harder to see as I pulled them into view.
The colors/shadows/layout all looks really nice, but I feel like the animations (as-is) ultimately detract from the experience rather than add to it. Thanks for sharing, though!
I read most of those papers a few years ago and wrote up an overview and summaries:
https://mfaulk.github.io/2024/06/19/ilya-papers.html
Is there a way to download them all in one go?
https://colah.github.io/posts/2015-08-Understanding-LSTMs/
https://papers.nips.cc/paper/2012/hash/c399862d3b9d6b76c8436... https://papers.nips.cc/paper_files/paper/2012/file/c399862d3...
https://arxiv.org/pdf/1512.03385
https://arxiv.org/pdf/1511.07122
https://arxiv.org/pdf/1603.05027
https://arxiv.org/pdf/1409.2329
https://arxiv.org/pdf/1512.02595
https://arxiv.org/pdf/1409.0473
https://arxiv.org/pdf/1506.03134
https://arxiv.org/pdf/1706.03762
https://nlp.seas.harvard.edu/annotated-transformer/
https://arxiv.org/pdf/1410.5401
https://arxiv.org/pdf/1706.01427
https://arxiv.org/pdf/1806.01822
https://arxiv.org/pdf/1704.01212
https://arxiv.org/pdf/2001.08361
https://arxiv.org/pdf/1811.06965
https://www.cs.toronto.edu/~hinton/absps/colt93.pdf
https://arxiv.org/pdf/math/0406077
https://scottaaronson.blog/?p=762
https://arxiv.org/pdf/1405.6903
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/047174882X.ch14 https://github.com/Bladefidz/information-theory/blob/master/...
https://arxiv.org/pdf/1611.02731
https://www.vetta.org/documents/Machine_Super_Intelligence.p...
https://karpathy.github.io/2015/05/21/rnn-effectiveness/
https://cs231n.github.io/
Recommend importing into Zotero if currently not using it.
https://www.zotero.org/
https://www.zotero.org/support/adding_items_to_zotero#add_it...
Kolmogorov Complexity looks interesting. It seems to formalize Occam’s Razor and the notion that intelligence = compression.
If you find this interesting, you should look into Solomonoff induction. It combines Kolmogorov complexity with Bayes rule to provide a general framework for inductive inference, and naturally formalizes Occam's razor.
I wouldn't say so about Occam's Razor which is a heuristic.
The relationship between compression and intelligence, while not equal is definitely there. It looks like 3Blue1Brown is going to be doing some videos on this aspect.
there's a way to connect kolmogorov complexity and occam's razor, which is solomonoff induction
The "ML" here seems to stand for "Machine Learning" (not "Meta Language" as in SML or OCaml).
Is this meant to be read in order?
Where did you get the list? AFAIK, list was never shared
Delete the two options in the upper right hand corner of the homepage and Bob's your uncle.
I wonder how up to date these papers are because I imagine this list came out >6 years ago
It’s very easy to check & see there’s at least one paper from 2023. Also it takes time to know which papers are influential. But better to contribute than speculate… what are the seminal ML papers from the last 6 years that should be on the list?
Its interesting seeing how many of these researchers became the heads of frontier labs!
This is a beautiful way to present extremely high quality information. I sometimes lament the unpleasant friction involved in finding and reading academic papers (the overly formal style is a necessary evil, but the irritating paywalls, followed by inevitable searches for '%{title} filetype:pdf' feel like unnecessary ones).
How is this a beginner friendly format?
Anyone got a list for the agentic LLM age?
Why on earth would you deliberately choose to do whatever the fuck it is you did with the scroll and the animations for each paper when scrolling through the landing page? What are those animations supposed to be? I use firefox but I also visited on chrome, and the page is even more broken there. Scroll doesn't "take" unless I scroll hard enough, otherwise it bounces back. But on chrome, at least, it seems like the animation for each paper is clearer - it's supposed to be animating the scale of the paper as you scroll to it.. but it seems that your background animation is lagging everything so much it just doesn't work.
Myspace and 5th grader PowerPoint presentations had a vibe coded child.
The formatting of the articles on this website is bad. I've opened the first one and all the LaTeX formulas are messed up. The subscripts and superscripts are all flattened rendering the math hard to comprehend. Did the author actually try to read any of the articles?
>∏ plocal(x|z) = i p(xi|z,xWindowAround(i))
Images and tables are not rendered at all. What is the point of this? Just keep the links to arxiv and leave it at that, otherwise render the articles properly
the format is not friendly at all...
Main page UX is terrible. If you go for quirky, fine, but I would not want to use it.
Yes, normally wouldn't ever say anything, but I could even read the text things were just flying around. (On firefox)
Indeed. I scoffed at your comment and went to the website. After scrolling a bit, I find myself having a mild headache and slight dizziness.
I would request the author to consider something that does not distract us from this educational and informative website ( I have bookmarked it ).
Indeed. It's very bad.
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