The problem with a true "PED Olympics" is that it wouldn't just be steroids/peptides/HGH/asthma inhalers - where health effects mostly manifest outside of the actual competition event, off-screen. Competitors would undoubtedly load up on enough stimulants to start collapsing/dying on the event livestream. The public simply won't stomach the reality of any true no-holds-barred competition anytime soon.
So, sure, you can have a version of the Olympics that has a lower bar than the official Olympics, but much like arguing whether someone would consider prostituting themselves or not ... now you're just debating where the optimum line is for allowed vs. disallowed PEDs. That wouldn't be a radical change over the current Olympics, where the line is "give your athletes PEDs, but just make sure they pass the testing".
Society may at some point be willing to watch people die with regularity in athletic theatrics, but we're currently a long way from accepting gladiatorial combat in modern coliseums.
> That wouldn't be a radical change over the current Olympics, where the line is "give your athletes PEDs, but just make sure they pass the testing".
This is one of the reasons I have mixed feelings on the idea for PED Olympics. It's trivial to not get caught just using regular ol' test prop. I'm confident that the overwhelming majority of professional athletes and olympians participating in sports where increased strength and muscle mass is beneficial are doing it, because getting caught is hard if you have even a rough idea of when you're likely to be tested and the incentives for doing it are just too high, especially since you're getting paid on those contract years where you're not suspended, and people that get suspended still get contracts after. Much of the benefit persists as long as you keep protein intake up and continue resistance training, too, so you can juice for 5 years and keep a huge chunk of that muscle mass indefinitely. You won't get the additional CNS boosted effects from DHT derivatives or taking some halo right before, but it's still a hell of a big advantage over someone natural.
I think ideally the illusion would just be broken for the masses on just what the state is of pro sports, the olympics, etc., and just... accept it. Having a second set of competitions where some of the biggest performance enhancing drugs are already being used by the majority in the first set doesn't make a lot of sense to me. But maybe them being open about it will usher in people realizing this and accepting it.
Though the 'role model' aspect might mean everyone just keeps lying for forever, because think of the children.
If people want to try untested peptides, I think society should use that as the engine to _test those peptides_. Instead of buying something that's supposed to but may not be the peptide you want, you should pay 50+k% + data and get something that has a 50% chance of being the peptide and 50% chance of being a placebo, and you're _required_ to submit a report about effects and side effects before you can get a refill.
Rather than complain about how these things have not yet gone through real experiments and are marketed as having been "studied" rather than "effective", I would love to see society use the obvious demand for some of these to actually test them.
"14 peptides" yet I'm not seeing a single mention of any specific names.
I have read about BPC-157 and TB-500 in past. They're also banned as PEDs in competition. For injury recovery there is plenty of good feedback online. If not for the method of administration (only effective as subq; would prefer capsule or cream) I would've tried them out for a muscle injury recovery.
The problem with a true "PED Olympics" is that it wouldn't just be steroids/peptides/HGH/asthma inhalers - where health effects mostly manifest outside of the actual competition event, off-screen. Competitors would undoubtedly load up on enough stimulants to start collapsing/dying on the event livestream. The public simply won't stomach the reality of any true no-holds-barred competition anytime soon.
So, sure, you can have a version of the Olympics that has a lower bar than the official Olympics, but much like arguing whether someone would consider prostituting themselves or not ... now you're just debating where the optimum line is for allowed vs. disallowed PEDs. That wouldn't be a radical change over the current Olympics, where the line is "give your athletes PEDs, but just make sure they pass the testing".
Society may at some point be willing to watch people die with regularity in athletic theatrics, but we're currently a long way from accepting gladiatorial combat in modern coliseums.
> That wouldn't be a radical change over the current Olympics, where the line is "give your athletes PEDs, but just make sure they pass the testing".
This is one of the reasons I have mixed feelings on the idea for PED Olympics. It's trivial to not get caught just using regular ol' test prop. I'm confident that the overwhelming majority of professional athletes and olympians participating in sports where increased strength and muscle mass is beneficial are doing it, because getting caught is hard if you have even a rough idea of when you're likely to be tested and the incentives for doing it are just too high, especially since you're getting paid on those contract years where you're not suspended, and people that get suspended still get contracts after. Much of the benefit persists as long as you keep protein intake up and continue resistance training, too, so you can juice for 5 years and keep a huge chunk of that muscle mass indefinitely. You won't get the additional CNS boosted effects from DHT derivatives or taking some halo right before, but it's still a hell of a big advantage over someone natural.
I think ideally the illusion would just be broken for the masses on just what the state is of pro sports, the olympics, etc., and just... accept it. Having a second set of competitions where some of the biggest performance enhancing drugs are already being used by the majority in the first set doesn't make a lot of sense to me. But maybe them being open about it will usher in people realizing this and accepting it.
Though the 'role model' aspect might mean everyone just keeps lying for forever, because think of the children.
In any functioning sports body testing is random and unannounced
If people want to try untested peptides, I think society should use that as the engine to _test those peptides_. Instead of buying something that's supposed to but may not be the peptide you want, you should pay 50+k% + data and get something that has a 50% chance of being the peptide and 50% chance of being a placebo, and you're _required_ to submit a report about effects and side effects before you can get a refill.
Rather than complain about how these things have not yet gone through real experiments and are marketed as having been "studied" rather than "effective", I would love to see society use the obvious demand for some of these to actually test them.
> you're _required_ to submit a report about effects and side effects before you can get a refill.
Enjoy your bogus data.
ha ok that's fair maybe it needs to be sold with a package of associated tests
Getting warmer! =]
"14 peptides" yet I'm not seeing a single mention of any specific names.
I have read about BPC-157 and TB-500 in past. They're also banned as PEDs in competition. For injury recovery there is plenty of good feedback online. If not for the method of administration (only effective as subq; would prefer capsule or cream) I would've tried them out for a muscle injury recovery.
The most cringe worthy is that vaccine skeptic, who has no problem injecting comparatively unproven stuff with unknown side effects.
Well, must be the brain damage of years of drinking.