This is just a Nextcloud rebrand with a confusing domain name. It claims "Core is [100%] Open Source" but no source code is provided beyond what's already available in the upstream projects, and it's unlikely that there will be (as this happens a lot). It's a one-man project without a track record or certifications based out of a shared office space [1].
And don't get me wrong: there's nothing wrong with starting a business rebranding Nextcloud and keeping your development closed source, as long as you're honest about that, which this initiative is not.
If you're looking for a Nextcloud hoster, there's a long list of partners here [2] that have contractually obligated themselves to contribute back to Nextcloud for every user they onboard.
> there's nothing wrong with starting a business rebranding Nextcloud and keeping your development closed source, as long as you're honest about that, which this initiative is not.
I thought Nextcloud was released under the AGPL, making this very much not okay by default. So either I misunderstood something or Office.eu got a permission to make non-free modifications? (Going by what you said; I have not dived into this.)
If it just says that it is partly based on Nextcloud, that does not imply they modified Nextcloud code at all. Other parts of the platform could be based on some other code, even closed one.
I laud the attempt and I think it's important there are more projects that try to compete with their American counterparts. I do want to gently note that if your entire pitch is "we are a bold, independent European alternative that liberates you from the hegemony of the established American players," maybe don't name your product the exact same thing as the product you're replacing? "Office." They named it "Office."
> maybe don't name your product the exact same thing as the product you're replacing? "Office." They named it "Office."
Surely you mean "Microsoft 365 Copilot"?
(I am not making this up. That is what it is called now.)
Realistically, though, I think pretty much _all_ office suites have been called [Something] Office, for about the last 30 years. The Google one ("Google Workplace", formerly "Google Apps") is the only exception I can think of, and I wouldn't necessarily take Google's lead in software branding (honestly, until I looked it up for this post, I thought it was still called Google Apps, and I use the damn thing every day).
Microsoft Office still exists, the current version being Microsoft Office 2024 for Mac & Windows. But THIS Office is the the non-subscription version of Office, this is not the cloud-connected Apps being offered via Microsoft 365. This version of Office doesn't get all the latest cloud features and stuff happening in the subscription versions.
The cloud version of Office meanwhile is being renamed left and right. The office.com homepage now redirects to Copilot and is rebranded as Microsoft 365 Copilot just like you said. If you have any M365 business or enterprise plan Office is actually called "Microsoft 365 apps for business/enterprise".
Now why the Microsoft marketing team is adamant on changing and mucking about with such a long standing brand as "Microsoft Office" nobody understands.
Well iWork too. Before that, AppleWorks/ClarisWorks, but yeah, there's things like OpenOffice.org/StarOffice/LibreOffice/NeoOffice which are pretty much all the same lineage (StarOffice and its derivatives). Zoho's is Zoho Office Suite, which at least adds an extra word.
"Work/Works" tended to be used for specifically integrated office suites (AppleWorks/ClarisWorks, and then Microsoft Works). Though iWork is _not_ one, granted.
I think integrated office suites have now entirely died out.
LibreOffice is like Office a collection of intercompatible apps. Microsoft Works was a single application offering Word/Excel/Outlook-like functionality.
1980s office suites very commonly included terminal emulators, because they were in high-demand back then
Most large enterprises, you’d have core business applications running on a mainframe or minicomputer or Unix host, and you’d need a terminal emulator to access them from your PC/microcomputer. A lot of places used mainframe/minicomputer-based email/calendar (e.g. IBM PROFS, DISOSS, SNADS, Office/36, OfficeVision; DEC ALL-IN-ONE; DataGeneral CEO; HPMAIL; etc) and centrally hosted word processing systems (e.g. IBM DisplayWriter) were commonly used for document/content management. And then added to that you had services like CompuServe and BBS systems
It is likely the Microsoft Works developers dogfooded its terminal emulator a lot, since at the time Microsoft ran its business on Xenix servers, until they eventually migrated to Windows NT in the first half of the 1990s
In fact, MS-DOS was initially developed on mainframe/micros and targeted the IBM PC via cross compilation and link cable, they weren't doing it directly.
For me, the charitable interpretation is that office is very close to a default term for the category of the software. Open Office, Libre Office, WPS Office, Only Office, Polaris Office.
One thing that may contribute to Europe's and the world's independence from Office is the notion that it's no longer a term distinctly associated with a Microsoft product.
I don't entirely disagree though because they could have attached some distinguishing prefix or suffix. Maybe that's what the .eu is.
I think they could've worked a little harder to at least find a noun you could futz with so it has some commonality between european languages. "Office" is probably well known, but it doesn't "feel" very european to use a noun that's different from most other EU languages translation. Could be "Productiv" or something. It feels like the federal government here in Canada has a team of language nerds ready to smash together a clever french-english name with two superimposed meanings when needed. ("O-Train", Ottawa Train, Au Train. "Via Rail". "Service Canada". "ArriveCAN". etc)
You can't tell me there isn't a few turbo-nerds somewhere in the entire continent of europe that will find the intersection of 6-7 languages to name an EU groupware suite.
I know, that's what I meant by "most other EU language translations". But to me at least, this is a brandable name. Why not do something "unifying" across many european languages, not just something that works in a singular one?
It's more of a plea for creativity rather than pragmatism... but I'm arguing for creativity from a government agency... so I might be a bit off base here haha
Fair point! Yeah I guess I should sorta reframe my thinking as “something more creatively European”… It doesn’t have to be cross-lingual. (if that’s a word)
Oficium goes hard. I would absolutely push for that if I had any sort of involvement in this project.
"Office is now Microsoft 365, the premier productivity suite with innovative productivity apps, intelligent cloud services, and world-class security. Office.com, the Office mobile app, and the Office app for Windows are combined in the Microsoft 365 Copilot app—with a new icon, new look, and even more features."
You can count on Microsoft to mess up their marketing message in the craziest ways. Why stick with the best-known productivity software brand on the planet when you can call it "365 Copilot"?
I doubt this will stop the lawsuit. Also Microsoft still absolutely sells Office 365 tiers separately from Microsoft 365 tiers. Their marketing is terrible and confusing but Offie definitely still exits as a brand, and you can bet your bottom dollar the lawyers are going to be having a great day on Monday.
Microsoft does not have a trademark for "Office", which is clearly a type of product and can't be used as a program name (just like you can't name your oatmeal "Oatmeal" and expect trademark protection).
The only way this would be infringing is if office.eu usage could be confused with Microsoft other's trademarks - like Microsoft Office - but I don't see that.
So no, office.eu will have a calm Monday on that front, just like hundreds of other companies offering products with "Office" in their name.
(I'm not a lawyer. Talk to a lawyer before deciding to take on a trillion dollar company).
I can't wait to launch my Office alternative in Cameroon, office.cm. I do suspect using such a generic TLD swap of Office's well-known domain for a knockoff is particularly perilous compared to others mentioned. Bear in mind the possibility for consumer confusion is a top criteria.
>just like hundreds of other companies offering products with "Office" in their name
There may be hundreds of other companies selling products with the noun "office" in their names, but there only is one producing a productivity suite called simply "Office". I would expect launching another productivity suite called "Office" would be trademark infringement. Just like I can't release a car called "Beetle" or "Golf".
I mean, I think that ship has probably sailed. Borland Office showed up at about the same time as Microsoft Office, in the late 80s. Then StarOffice, Corel Office, Wordperfect Office, throughout the 90s... If Microsoft had a defensible trademark there, then this would hardly be the first target. And Microsoft barely uses the "Office" brand _itself_, these days, and hasn't for years.
(There is still a product called Microsoft Office, but the thing that most users would think of as MS Office is now, bafflingly, branded "Microsoft 365 Copilot".)
Focusing on the word "Office" feels like a bit of red herring considering it's frequently used in other Microsoft Office replacements like LibreOffice or OpenOffice.
Something like "EuropaOffice" would have followed the historical pattern so it's specifically the lack of an additional qualifier word that's perhaps questionable, not the word "Office."
But it does look like it's always called "Office.EU" in branding so maybe that's enough?
It also possibly sets a false expectation of perfect compatibility… you can imagine bureaucrats trying to figure out if a file needs to be opened in Office or Office (new)
Considering that for the average office worker I know switching from outlook to outlook (new) is a major hurdle within the same ecosystem, I can only imagine what they were thinking coming up with a name.
That is a very fair point, there are quite a few businesses and government agencies where I live, which are very deeply entrenched in very complex, decade spanning VBA based workflows that need absolute and fully compatibility before a switch away from "MS 365 Copilot" could even be considered and the name may give false expectations.
Now, I really, very much dislike it that often discussions on sites like this one can be utterly derailed by someone bringing up an utterly unrelated overhyped topic, so feel free to dismiss this, but I could honestly see LLMs providing a potential path to smoothing out such issues. Some model have gotten rather robust when it comes to making targeted changes to pre-existing Excel files dating back to before I was using a computer, including handling very specific modifications to ancient macros across multiple sheets. Perhaps, this could be leveraged to some extent, though being honest and trying not to overhype, I suspect that similar to those planning to use agentic coding to rewrite decades old, tested, crucially important COBOL code in a more modern language, there are likely many edge cases that will be hard to properly cover and if such a solution isn't both absolutely reliable and seamless to the users, large scale adoption by such entities will likely be impossible in the short term.
To be fair, one interpretation is spending innovation tokens wisely. Just piggy back off an already understood concept/brand, don't try to be too clever on the parts where innovating won't matter that much.
There's a bit of an issue with the overload of 'office' in the political context, this being an EU initiative and domain but other than that I say good call.
What I get out of that pitch is "use us because we're local to you, and possibly because you're required to, not because we're and good, or that we'll even try".
I mostly interact with smaller contributors to their field, and they tend to be unique and bold, because that's what is needed to be competitive. When they get their uniqueness and boldness out of just being who they are, it doesn't tend to foster the type of uniqueness and boldness needed to make a good product.
The way we are now, it is a liability to rely on foreign technology for anything critical, we should be back to the cold war days, were plenty of countries had their own computers, operating systems, programming languages.
It is going to be pleasant? No, and it is going to take a few decades, however we cannot afford to have kill switches in the hands of foreign nations, even if their software is the best in the planet.
In the current climate, using MS Office is a business risk for European companies. Who knows what idea will pop into ol' minihands' head next time he has a bad day at the golf course? Like, it would _not_ be particularly shocking if at some point in the next 2.5 years he attempts to interfere with the ability of US companies to sell services to Europe. You can no longer depend on "but that would be an obviously terrible idea, so they won't do it" as an operating principle; see the tariffs.
Frankly, right now, there is a lot of money to be made in just providing safer alternatives to American cloud stuff. They don't need to be _better_, they just need to be based in a stable jurisdiction.
Office is a software category. Just because one competitor names things as "the car"(TM) doesn't mean you can't call your vehicle a car. Also it is (was) actually called Microsoft Office for a reason, because it is the Office software from Microsoft.
In fairness, Office is as generic a term as one can come up with for such a software suite. On top of that, I wouldn't be surprised if that fell under Genericide like Lego or Google and, lest we forget, the Microsoft Office brand does not exist anymore, it is 365 and Copilot now...
The product they're replacing is called Microsoft Copilot 365 :)
More seriously, Office is a great word for what the software package does, and it can't be trademarked. You can have Microsoft Office, Libre Office, and Europa Office.
Office is just like using Xerox for copiers, Tempo for paper handkerchiefs, Excel for spredsheets, hoover for vacum cleaners,.... some names stick on the common mind.
Yeah, someone could confuse it with WordPerfect Office, Ability Office, Libre Office, WPS Office, or some other obscure software that uses the word "Office" in it's name.
What is Office EU?
Office EU is a European productivity suite for files, email, calendars, documents and calls, built on Nextcloud Hub. It brings Files, Talk, Groupware and Office together in one platform.
Looking through the Office EU screenshots, they do look like Nextcloud Groupware/Files/Office with the logo changed.
Mostly adding this because I wasn't sure if it was a new product or not based on a first glance over the Office EU site. Nextcloud offers recommendations for providers on their site, most of which are in the EU [0]. The Office EU website seems to be new since around January of this year [1]. More managed hosts for Nextcloud is a good thing in my book, but I'd be a bit wary to host my stuff with a brand new provider.
You say "tax money", but this project isn't a government project or using public money at all. As for contributing back to Nextcloud: there is a long list of Nextcloud partners [1] that contractually obligated themselves to contribute back to Nextcloud for every user they onboard. The company in this article has not.
Is this by some random company that happens to rent an address in Hague? And even that is uncertain because there's no actual address except a vague OSM pin. And no company name either.
This seems untrustworthy, double so for a product that claims to prioritize transparency.
> Our headquarters are in The Netherlands (The Hague). Contact us to book a meeting or ask any questions.
Sounds like when there was that news of "Europe is creating a social media website called 'W' to compete with X" and it just turned out it was some random tiny company.
> Office.EU is a service offered and operated by EUfforic Europe BV, registered with the Dutch chamber of commerce under registration number 98746243 and having its address at Dr. Kuyperstraat 10-A at (2514 BB) The Hague, the Netherlands.
Default Talk copies all streams to all users meaning it can handle a small numbers of concurrent users. There's some sort of a broadcast (plus Stun, nat etc) solution that allows it to scale. They are probably charging for that.
It's always a good thing to have multiple players and I hope we can have actual EU-based alternatives, but I feel like this project, simply being a rebranded NextCloud as far as I can tell, is less interesting than La Suite numérique [1] developed by the French government or CryptPad [2] developed by XWiki, a French company based in Paris.
Microsoft draws over 3 billion dollars out of Norway yearly. We are many that want this number much, much closer to zero. At it's small steps like this that makes it possible.
The fund owns about 1.26% of Microsoft (data seems to be for 2025), which according to Gemini is about $37.5b in today's value. Stock value of Microsoft changed about 5.23% over the last year, which comes down to about $1.96b, so you're not far off...
The US is more than free to dissuade the fund from investing in Microsoft, and I don't think the Norwegian public would mind it being invested elsewhere.
It's hard to get numbers on what countries pay to Microsoft. The Dutch parliament has repeatedly asked and has not gotten numbers even though there is a whole agency since 2014 (https://www.digitaleoverheid.nl/overzicht-van-alle-onderwerp...) specifically for giving Microsoft preferential treatment in procurement.
Yes but Holland has been governed by the VVD Neoliberals for more than a decade and they have a super hard-on for everything American. I think that will probably change now.
Well that's a pompous headline from the author's PR dept. "Europe" as in, "The European Union", or just some marketing trick based on making you believe it is to give it more weight?
I'm european and can still easily confuse the "European Union" and "Europe the general area" when context is lacking, it's not a big stretch of the imagination for me that people _anywhere_ could construe this as "official" as well.
All that it looks like is backed by some emanation from the city of The Hague. No mention of the EU proper. It's european owned and backed, sure, but not EU owned and backed.
> Office EU is a complete cloud-based office suite
Issue is.. if you are a traditional MS Office "poweruser", the last thing you want to do is spend your days in a web browser. These apps should also be available as native apps, similar to MS Word, Excel, Pages, Keynote, etc.
The vast majority of office use at my work is in the browsers because the files are stored in Sharepoint. It seems to work well enough for basic needs (no macros and fairly simple formulas in excel etc.)
I have a non-technical friend in finance who uses the Desktop versions of Excel for most of their work and they say it crashes nearly every day losing work.
Every time SharePoint/Teams decides to open a document in the browser, I cry a little. Misalignments in Word, broken basic keyboard movements in Excel, terrible performance across the board.
Just like in many other cases, in-proc extensions might be easier to implement, or have lower resource demands than OS IPC, but than it has such unpleasent experiences, I bet those Oracle extensions in C, C++, COM, are to blame.
I would rather say that lack of VBA support is an issue, and that it's an insurmountable task for alternative Offices to solve. Yes, and absurd one too.
As a "poweruser", I'd rather prefer to have all software available in the browser, open source, and hackable, than a native-based COM-ridden turd that only became more bloated and slow over the last couple of decades. (Yeah, and don't forget Ribbon UI!)
Unfortunately, Office EU is about politics, and not about hackable open-source software available with a single click.
3 Reasons:
- a significant investment from the Schwarz Group
- not just a marketing stunt, but a company with a long term vision to compete with big US tech
- clearly targeted at B2B with strong ties into EU politics
Am I being dumb: they say it's "open-source software" but I can't actually find a link (or links) to the software / source anywhere on the office.eu website??
Yes, I searched for the same. No evidence this has anything to do with the European Union. More like a vibe-coded landing page with user signup form.
Edit: I am certain this is one or two people vibe coding then will pitch to VCs when the waitlist has 1000 people.
Listing major company logos in their banner:
“The organizations listed here use similar technology (Nextcloud) as part of their operations. Their inclusion is for illustrative purposes only.”
>"Office EU is a European productivity suite for files, email, calendars, documents and calls, built on Nextcloud Hub. It brings Files, Talk, Groupware and Office together in one platform."
Of which, Files, Talk, Office and Groupware are all just NextCloud services where they've swapped "Nextcloud" for "EU" in the name.
>"Office.EU is a service offered and operated by EUfforic Europe BV, registered with the Dutch chamber of commerce under registration number 98746243 and having its address at Dr. Kuyperstraat 10-A at (2514 BB) The Hague, the Netherlands."
I wouldn't personally trust a company that appears to be claiming another company's services as some revolutionary new thing, when it's just reselling them. And it was registered in November 2025 with no other information available - why would anyone gamble all their company data on a company that has appeared as quickly as it might disappear? Who are the owners/founders even?
Nextcloud does not provide hosting, only 3rd level support. So any commercial hosting of Nextcloud will be done by other companies. There are many companies to choose from.
I can't find any info about the people behind it. The branding, mentioning "The Hague" and the rest of the landing page seems to try really hard to fool me into believing this is official from the European Union, I wouldn't trust them with anything, just get Libreoffice.
In general getting EU grants is very lucrative. It takes some relationships and writing skill but in the end you never have to deliver any results (beyond maybe a report that no one ever reads)
Really, just lack shame and sell something you do not have and bet that you can get it before anyone really presses too hard. It's an incredible thing to see.
They list a bunch of companies under the heading "All these companies work with the same technology" on their landing page. I think it's quite scummy, and very non-impressive when you see it.
> Office EU will offer simple plans for individuals and teams. Pricing will be competitive and designed to be easy to understand. We will publish full plan details closer to launch.
> Will there be a free plan?
> A free plan is planned after launch. It will be a good way to try Office EU before committing. Exact limits and features will be shared when it is ready.
You can have hosted Nextcloud on Hetzner, with Headscale, email server, Vaultwarden, and Wordpress on European infrastructure (Hetzner) individually installed just for you from Federated Computer today for $19/month unlimited user accounts. I use it every day. Human support, too...!
Sure you can, you can also pirate Microsoft Office (the versions prior to the shittening). But companies don't want that, they just want to pay a few bucks per user per month to make it someone else's problem. Microsoft offers this service. Google offers this service. FOSS does not.
That's also why always-connected SaaS is winning - it makes more things the vendor's problem instead of the customer's problem. Provided that you maintain a good relationship with your vendor. A metal machining company doesn't want to hire an employee to manage a bespoke computer system, or even to replace computer parts or install Ethernet cabling in the building. They might do it, if it's the only good option, but they prefer it to just work without effort, even for more money.
Umm.. this feels like a better suited comment for another part of this thread. Federated Computer appears to offer the exact same service as OfficeEU - a SaaS/managed Nextcloud
It's a perfectly not reasonable cookie banner. If you click on Details, you can see that they're not using marketing, statistics, or any other kind of cookies apart from the technically necessary. Which is great, but also means that they don't even need a banner. It could just go away.
But I work in IT and Office 365 is not "Office suite online" anymore. Office 365 started with running Exchange in the cloud by MS as it is a PITA for IT. That was basically it.
Office 365 is now:
- Office suite, both online and desktop apps (Vital for full feature Excel)
- Entra for Users, Groups and Policy, SSO, conditional access, MFA (Entra is actually Azure AD, not sure if this is still the case but all Office 365 get an Azure AD tenant it runs on)
- Device management via Intune, that is policy, push apps/installs, reinstalls, Autopilot, run scripts etc on machines, device state config
- File sharing with Sharepoint & Teams & personal Onedrive (this also adds endpoint backup)
- Teams - chat, video, workspace - We live in Teams at work.
- Email (that includes admin, extensive admin)
- DLP - Data loss prevention
- The power suite where users & admins can make their own apps
+ MS Graph API for all this
Oh, and it comes with Copilot chat baked in (GTP 5.3 based now) with enterprise controls.
At a big company you can have people ONLY working on the Entra part to secure user accounts. Or people ONLY on Intune to setup and manage PCs, policy etc.
Office 365 is a beast and I will argue GSuite does not match up as companies basically HAVE to buy Slack on the side to get parity. Also sysadmin on GSuite sucks.
The link actually made me laugh but also sad. It is frankly embarrassing. We in EU can do tech Spotify, Klarna, Lovable, Mojang, Dice, Arelion, Ericsson and this is only in Sweden. Look at a 4G network, it is insanley complex.
So yea not sure what the solution is. But this is too little too late. It should have started in 2008 maybe they would have a chance. It is also sheer numbers. MS is massive and Azure/O365 is their cash cow now. They make sure it is damn good.
Many businesses don't need 100% of Office 365, in fact I will assert that if they aren't listed on DAX, or similar indexes, they most likely only need Word and Excel.
Going on a wild tangent here, why do these office suite companies stick to MS Word's principle of emulating paper and typewriters? Or rather, why do people kling to that metaphor?
Surely, Notion showed us that there are better working models.
Financial transactions aren't protected, so if you pay, you can personally be tied to the account, but they don't have access to the internal contents of the account.
That's a cloudflare anycast address; your traffic won't be routed through Texas unless you're in or near Texas. Cookiebot would appear to be https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usercentrics
This has been a longtime coming, it is not unique but it is still significant
The enormous momentum of the installed base and occupied headspace of Microsoft systems made them lazy and complacent decades ago. They have been peddling insecure unreliable software for a generation now, and believed their was no viable threat.
It took too long, but finally. Trump and his mad bad actions are good for the Europeans like a heart attack is good for your health
I'm trying to move away from MS 365 myself, both because of Trump, AI but also because Microsoft keeps making it work worse and worse with Firefox. The latest thing (as of a day or 2 ago) is every 30 minutes redirecting my outlook web to the "You just signed out of your account" page :( So I have to sign back in every time I use it, it used to simply stay open (and no settings were changed on the backend). How I hate these guys.
The most annoying thing is that none of this happens when I set my user agent to MS Edge on Windows. So they are purposefully breaking this.
Yeah no. I want entirely offline stuff that runs within equipment I completely control going forwards.
One thing this whole current shit show says is geopolitics are too unstable to put your data into any system or legal jurisdiction you don’t directly control.
As an American, I remember when none of this was an issue a mere 18 months ago, and it’s crazy to think we did this to ourselves. This is all so unnecessary… and dumb, very dumb.
>1.1 Introductie
>Op 28 maart 2024 heeft de gemeenteraad van Amsterdam unaniem ingestemd met het
(gewijzigde) initiatiefvoorstel Amsterdam Digitaal Onafhankelijk van raadslid IJmker
English:
>On March 28, 2024, the Amsterdam City Council unanimously approved the
(amended) initiative proposal Amsterdam Digital Independent by Council Member IJmker
Some European countries were trying to reduce their dependency on proprietary American software for decades now, with varying success. The recent events have likely accelerated this trajectory, but it is not new.
Good luck to them, but without an equivalent to Microsoft Access it's not really a replacement for Microsoft Office for many power users. (Yes, I'm aware that Access has some weaknesses as a database but for quick-and-dirty custom applications it's still the easiest platform out there.)
In 25 years I have never seen anyone use Microsoft Access in earnest. For the overwhelming majority of users I do not think this is an issue. The last time I used it was when studying for CLAiT Plus.
We used it at Altitude Software, as one of the possible database backends for our platform, there were indee enough customers that it was a requirement to also support it on our ODBC configuration.
During the MS-DOS => Windows transitions, some folks moved from doing xBase development into VB, or Access, instead of CA Objects or FoxPro.
... Wait, people are still using MS Access?! I didn't even realise that there was still a current version.
> but for quick-and-dirty custom applications it's still the easiest platform out there.
So I'm a big LLM sceptic. Seriously, you can check. But if there is one thing that LLMs _are_ quite good at, it is the sort of quick and (very) dirty custom CRUD apps traditionally produced with Access.
wtf!? I enter my email address for an invitation, receive a link to an est. 2 pages form for answering a shit load of unrelated question, like org name, org country, last summer vacation, first time I got pimples... Is this a request to become the next pope?
The problem is that the Oslo world is deeply encoded into the DNA of the European union and its elites. The very goal of "restoring" the old world is what they have in mind. The moment that goal seems to even just return as a hallucination, they will drop all of these initiatives and defect. Everyone knows, so nobody even tries to get something real built.
With the university who trained these politicians, with the institutions who shaped them, with these politicians who created this multi-crisis - believing everyone out there was invested in a stable world as they were- a independent Europe is not possible. They just have to much hackable surface, to much API, they will crawl before any hacker offering them a way "back out" with the decades to come.
The problem is that every attempt at European alternatives is taken at the government level (of some member country or of the EU) and immediately announced with great fanfare as the European comeback. The pathetic thing about it is that everybody who isn't totally clueless sees how utterly inadequate these attempts are, given the political involvement, the microscopic resources invested, the lack of incentives from competition, and the general hostility of European legislation and bureaucracy. And yet politicians keep making fools of themselves announcing this or that EU answer to American tech.
This is just a Nextcloud rebrand with a confusing domain name. It claims "Core is [100%] Open Source" but no source code is provided beyond what's already available in the upstream projects, and it's unlikely that there will be (as this happens a lot). It's a one-man project without a track record or certifications based out of a shared office space [1].
And don't get me wrong: there's nothing wrong with starting a business rebranding Nextcloud and keeping your development closed source, as long as you're honest about that, which this initiative is not.
If you're looking for a Nextcloud hoster, there's a long list of partners here [2] that have contractually obligated themselves to contribute back to Nextcloud for every user they onboard.
[1] https://blog.tomaszdunia.pl/officeeu-eng/
[2] https://nextcloud.com/partners/
> there's nothing wrong with starting a business rebranding Nextcloud and keeping your development closed source, as long as you're honest about that, which this initiative is not.
I thought Nextcloud was released under the AGPL, making this very much not okay by default. So either I misunderstood something or Office.eu got a permission to make non-free modifications? (Going by what you said; I have not dived into this.)
If it just says that it is partly based on Nextcloud, that does not imply they modified Nextcloud code at all. Other parts of the platform could be based on some other code, even closed one.
So it is like any other "Sovereign European Tech" project out there.
Agreed. But please, someone change [2] to have a freakin' direct link to the Nextcloud product/service offered by the linked website.
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I laud the attempt and I think it's important there are more projects that try to compete with their American counterparts. I do want to gently note that if your entire pitch is "we are a bold, independent European alternative that liberates you from the hegemony of the established American players," maybe don't name your product the exact same thing as the product you're replacing? "Office." They named it "Office."
> maybe don't name your product the exact same thing as the product you're replacing? "Office." They named it "Office."
Surely you mean "Microsoft 365 Copilot"?
(I am not making this up. That is what it is called now.)
Realistically, though, I think pretty much _all_ office suites have been called [Something] Office, for about the last 30 years. The Google one ("Google Workplace", formerly "Google Apps") is the only exception I can think of, and I wouldn't necessarily take Google's lead in software branding (honestly, until I looked it up for this post, I thought it was still called Google Apps, and I use the damn thing every day).
That isn't true, but I don't blame anyone for not understanding what Microsoft marketing is doing in terms of branding.
See for example: https://www.theverge.com/tech/856149/microsoft-365-office-re... or https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2026/01/11/office-is...
Microsoft Office still exists, the current version being Microsoft Office 2024 for Mac & Windows. But THIS Office is the the non-subscription version of Office, this is not the cloud-connected Apps being offered via Microsoft 365. This version of Office doesn't get all the latest cloud features and stuff happening in the subscription versions.
The cloud version of Office meanwhile is being renamed left and right. The office.com homepage now redirects to Copilot and is rebranded as Microsoft 365 Copilot just like you said. If you have any M365 business or enterprise plan Office is actually called "Microsoft 365 apps for business/enterprise".
Now why the Microsoft marketing team is adamant on changing and mucking about with such a long standing brand as "Microsoft Office" nobody understands.
Well iWork too. Before that, AppleWorks/ClarisWorks, but yeah, there's things like OpenOffice.org/StarOffice/LibreOffice/NeoOffice which are pretty much all the same lineage (StarOffice and its derivatives). Zoho's is Zoho Office Suite, which at least adds an extra word.
"Work/Works" tended to be used for specifically integrated office suites (AppleWorks/ClarisWorks, and then Microsoft Works). Though iWork is _not_ one, granted.
I think integrated office suites have now entirely died out.
Isn't LibreOffice still an integrated office suite like OpenOffice.org was? I never bothered installing it, so I'm genuinely asking about that one.
But Google Workspace would probably count as a fully integrated suite.
LibreOffice is like Office a collection of intercompatible apps. Microsoft Works was a single application offering Word/Excel/Outlook-like functionality.
And, oddly, a terminal emulator.
1980s office suites very commonly included terminal emulators, because they were in high-demand back then
Most large enterprises, you’d have core business applications running on a mainframe or minicomputer or Unix host, and you’d need a terminal emulator to access them from your PC/microcomputer. A lot of places used mainframe/minicomputer-based email/calendar (e.g. IBM PROFS, DISOSS, SNADS, Office/36, OfficeVision; DEC ALL-IN-ONE; DataGeneral CEO; HPMAIL; etc) and centrally hosted word processing systems (e.g. IBM DisplayWriter) were commonly used for document/content management. And then added to that you had services like CompuServe and BBS systems
It is likely the Microsoft Works developers dogfooded its terminal emulator a lot, since at the time Microsoft ran its business on Xenix servers, until they eventually migrated to Windows NT in the first half of the 1990s
In fact, MS-DOS was initially developed on mainframe/micros and targeted the IBM PC via cross compilation and link cable, they weren't doing it directly.
For me, the charitable interpretation is that office is very close to a default term for the category of the software. Open Office, Libre Office, WPS Office, Only Office, Polaris Office.
One thing that may contribute to Europe's and the world's independence from Office is the notion that it's no longer a term distinctly associated with a Microsoft product.
I don't entirely disagree though because they could have attached some distinguishing prefix or suffix. Maybe that's what the .eu is.
I think they could've worked a little harder to at least find a noun you could futz with so it has some commonality between european languages. "Office" is probably well known, but it doesn't "feel" very european to use a noun that's different from most other EU languages translation. Could be "Productiv" or something. It feels like the federal government here in Canada has a team of language nerds ready to smash together a clever french-english name with two superimposed meanings when needed. ("O-Train", Ottawa Train, Au Train. "Via Rail". "Service Canada". "ArriveCAN". etc)
You can't tell me there isn't a few turbo-nerds somewhere in the entire continent of europe that will find the intersection of 6-7 languages to name an EU groupware suite.
Ireland is in EU. English is the primary language there (even though it is not the original language).
Also, English does work as a sort of Lingua Franca across EU countries.
Nothing wrong with it.
I know, that's what I meant by "most other EU language translations". But to me at least, this is a brandable name. Why not do something "unifying" across many european languages, not just something that works in a singular one?
It's more of a plea for creativity rather than pragmatism... but I'm arguing for creativity from a government agency... so I might be a bit off base here haha
To be frank, any European language is a minority within the continent as a whole. English at least makes it marketable anywhere.
If I was the one to suggest a catchy name I would pick something in Latin or Greek.
Oficium has a nice ring to it.
Too bad ".um" TLD is tied to USA. ofici.um would be a sick URL/name.
Fair point! Yeah I guess I should sorta reframe my thinking as “something more creatively European”… It doesn’t have to be cross-lingual. (if that’s a word)
Oficium goes hard. I would absolutely push for that if I had any sort of involvement in this project.
Correctamente:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euro_English
bEUro
I love the proposal, although in my ears it sounds like a drunk German trying their best.
I already love it like, 10x more than "office.eu"
Euffice.
To be fair, Microsoft Office doesn't exist anymore as a separate brand:
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-365/microsoft-offi...
"Office is now Microsoft 365, the premier productivity suite with innovative productivity apps, intelligent cloud services, and world-class security. Office.com, the Office mobile app, and the Office app for Windows are combined in the Microsoft 365 Copilot app—with a new icon, new look, and even more features."
You can count on Microsoft to mess up their marketing message in the craziest ways. Why stick with the best-known productivity software brand on the planet when you can call it "365 Copilot"?
I doubt this will stop the lawsuit. Also Microsoft still absolutely sells Office 365 tiers separately from Microsoft 365 tiers. Their marketing is terrible and confusing but Offie definitely still exits as a brand, and you can bet your bottom dollar the lawyers are going to be having a great day on Monday.
Microsoft does not have a trademark for "Office", which is clearly a type of product and can't be used as a program name (just like you can't name your oatmeal "Oatmeal" and expect trademark protection).
Microsoft does have a figurative trademark for "Office" with the rectangular icon: https://euipo.europa.eu/eSearch/#details/trademarks/01141355... - office.eu's logo does not bear any resemblance.
The only way this would be infringing is if office.eu usage could be confused with Microsoft other's trademarks - like Microsoft Office - but I don't see that.
So no, office.eu will have a calm Monday on that front, just like hundreds of other companies offering products with "Office" in their name.
(I'm not a lawyer. Talk to a lawyer before deciding to take on a trillion dollar company).
I can't wait to launch my Office alternative in Cameroon, office.cm. I do suspect using such a generic TLD swap of Office's well-known domain for a knockoff is particularly perilous compared to others mentioned. Bear in mind the possibility for consumer confusion is a top criteria.
>just like hundreds of other companies offering products with "Office" in their name
There may be hundreds of other companies selling products with the noun "office" in their names, but there only is one producing a productivity suite called simply "Office". I would expect launching another productivity suite called "Office" would be trademark infringement. Just like I can't release a car called "Beetle" or "Golf".
> productivity suite called simply "Office"
Microsoft Office.
I doubt Microsoft can own a name as generic as Simply "office".
Office.eu does not hold any resemblance to Microsoft Office in terms of logo, typography, makes no reference to MS, etc.
Of course they can sue. The most competent employees at MS are likely their lawyers and lobbyists anyway.
If you'd read the article you'd see this one's called "Office.eu" or "Office EU", which is fine.
Microsoft never called their productivity suite "simply" office, nor have they registered a product under that name.
> Also Microsoft still absolutely sells Office 365 tiers separately from Microsoft 365 tiers.
Case in point:
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-365/enterprise/off...
And yes. Microsoft branding and marketing is absolutely horrendous.
> I doubt this will stop the lawsuit.
I mean, I think that ship has probably sailed. Borland Office showed up at about the same time as Microsoft Office, in the late 80s. Then StarOffice, Corel Office, Wordperfect Office, throughout the 90s... If Microsoft had a defensible trademark there, then this would hardly be the first target. And Microsoft barely uses the "Office" brand _itself_, these days, and hasn't for years.
(There is still a product called Microsoft Office, but the thing that most users would think of as MS Office is now, bafflingly, branded "Microsoft 365 Copilot".)
Focusing on the word "Office" feels like a bit of red herring considering it's frequently used in other Microsoft Office replacements like LibreOffice or OpenOffice.
Something like "EuropaOffice" would have followed the historical pattern so it's specifically the lack of an additional qualifier word that's perhaps questionable, not the word "Office."
But it does look like it's always called "Office.EU" in branding so maybe that's enough?
It also possibly sets a false expectation of perfect compatibility… you can imagine bureaucrats trying to figure out if a file needs to be opened in Office or Office (new)
Considering that for the average office worker I know switching from outlook to outlook (new) is a major hurdle within the same ecosystem, I can only imagine what they were thinking coming up with a name.
Outlook New somehow to this day, lacks good feature of Outlook
That is not even broaching the sacred domain-specific excel macros which will 100% break when you try and run in this program.
That is a very fair point, there are quite a few businesses and government agencies where I live, which are very deeply entrenched in very complex, decade spanning VBA based workflows that need absolute and fully compatibility before a switch away from "MS 365 Copilot" could even be considered and the name may give false expectations.
Now, I really, very much dislike it that often discussions on sites like this one can be utterly derailed by someone bringing up an utterly unrelated overhyped topic, so feel free to dismiss this, but I could honestly see LLMs providing a potential path to smoothing out such issues. Some model have gotten rather robust when it comes to making targeted changes to pre-existing Excel files dating back to before I was using a computer, including handling very specific modifications to ancient macros across multiple sheets. Perhaps, this could be leveraged to some extent, though being honest and trying not to overhype, I suspect that similar to those planning to use agentic coding to rewrite decades old, tested, crucially important COBOL code in a more modern language, there are likely many edge cases that will be hard to properly cover and if such a solution isn't both absolutely reliable and seamless to the users, large scale adoption by such entities will likely be impossible in the short term.
The Hackernews snark would likely be worse had they called it 'bureau'.
To be fair, one interpretation is spending innovation tokens wisely. Just piggy back off an already understood concept/brand, don't try to be too clever on the parts where innovating won't matter that much.
There's a bit of an issue with the overload of 'office' in the political context, this being an EU initiative and domain but other than that I say good call.
What I get out of that pitch is "use us because we're local to you, and possibly because you're required to, not because we're and good, or that we'll even try".
I mostly interact with smaller contributors to their field, and they tend to be unique and bold, because that's what is needed to be competitive. When they get their uniqueness and boldness out of just being who they are, it doesn't tend to foster the type of uniqueness and boldness needed to make a good product.
The way we are now, it is a liability to rely on foreign technology for anything critical, we should be back to the cold war days, were plenty of countries had their own computers, operating systems, programming languages.
It is going to be pleasant? No, and it is going to take a few decades, however we cannot afford to have kill switches in the hands of foreign nations, even if their software is the best in the planet.
In the current climate, using MS Office is a business risk for European companies. Who knows what idea will pop into ol' minihands' head next time he has a bad day at the golf course? Like, it would _not_ be particularly shocking if at some point in the next 2.5 years he attempts to interfere with the ability of US companies to sell services to Europe. You can no longer depend on "but that would be an obviously terrible idea, so they won't do it" as an operating principle; see the tariffs.
Frankly, right now, there is a lot of money to be made in just providing safer alternatives to American cloud stuff. They don't need to be _better_, they just need to be based in a stable jurisdiction.
Office is a software category. Just because one competitor names things as "the car"(TM) doesn't mean you can't call your vehicle a car. Also it is (was) actually called Microsoft Office for a reason, because it is the Office software from Microsoft.
In fairness, Office is as generic a term as one can come up with for such a software suite. On top of that, I wouldn't be surprised if that fell under Genericide like Lego or Google and, lest we forget, the Microsoft Office brand does not exist anymore, it is 365 and Copilot now...
That word is not as loaded as you might think it is anymore. At least not with the next generation of users.
With your average 18-24 year old swimming in Google Docs, Notion, Monday, Airtable and a dozen others..."Office" will belong to the EU in no time.
I thought of it branded not Office generically but “Office.eu” but maybe I am wrong ?
The product they're replacing is called Microsoft Copilot 365 :)
More seriously, Office is a great word for what the software package does, and it can't be trademarked. You can have Microsoft Office, Libre Office, and Europa Office.
Office is just like using Xerox for copiers, Tempo for paper handkerchiefs, Excel for spredsheets, hoover for vacum cleaners,.... some names stick on the common mind.
Yeah, someone could confuse it with WordPerfect Office, Ability Office, Libre Office, WPS Office, or some other obscure software that uses the word "Office" in it's name.
Office is like the Xerox of photocopiers these days. It's no longer an enforceable trademark.
I mean, at least the gloves come off, who’s going to come after them for using the name? Microsoft? EU will just invalidate their patents. Done. Bye.
From the FAQ on the homepage:
Looking through the Office EU screenshots, they do look like Nextcloud Groupware/Files/Office with the logo changed.Mostly adding this because I wasn't sure if it was a new product or not based on a first glance over the Office EU site. Nextcloud offers recommendations for providers on their site, most of which are in the EU [0]. The Office EU website seems to be new since around January of this year [1]. More managed hosts for Nextcloud is a good thing in my book, but I'd be a bit wary to host my stuff with a brand new provider.
[0]: https://nextcloud.com/providers/
[1]: https://web.archive.org/web/20260116234614/https://office.eu...
Hopefully it is whitelabeled Nextcloud, and all the improvements can go back to the Nextcloud core. That would be a great use of my tax money.
You say "tax money", but this project isn't a government project or using public money at all. As for contributing back to Nextcloud: there is a long list of Nextcloud partners [1] that contractually obligated themselves to contribute back to Nextcloud for every user they onboard. The company in this article has not.
[1] https://nextcloud.com/partners/
Oh what! Wow, that' misleading, although I guess it doesn't explicitly say "public" or "government" everywhere. Hm.
I agree. We don't need to reinvent the wheel.
Touche
> Yes. Office EU provides a desktop sync client for Windows, macOS and Linux so files stay up to date across devices.
Regardless of the Nextcloud issue. It's probably just a web wrapper then.
Is this by some random company that happens to rent an address in Hague? And even that is uncertain because there's no actual address except a vague OSM pin. And no company name either.
This seems untrustworthy, double so for a product that claims to prioritize transparency.
> Our headquarters are in The Netherlands (The Hague). Contact us to book a meeting or ask any questions.
source: https://office.eu/contact
Sounds like when there was that news of "Europe is creating a social media website called 'W' to compete with X" and it just turned out it was some random tiny company.
Every time you hear about European alternative you can expect similar scenario.
In their Privacy Policy [1], Section 8:
> Office.EU is a service offered and operated by EUfforic Europe BV, registered with the Dutch chamber of commerce under registration number 98746243 and having its address at Dr. Kuyperstraat 10-A at (2514 BB) The Hague, the Netherlands.
[1]: Link to PDF, no HTML version: https://hel1.your-objectstorage.com/officeeuaa001/officeeu-p...
Yea the FAQ does not give a good impression.
"The Premium and Ultimate plans offer EU Talk for larger meetings up to ● users."
Default Talk copies all streams to all users meaning it can handle a small numbers of concurrent users. There's some sort of a broadcast (plus Stun, nat etc) solution that allows it to scale. They are probably charging for that.
It's always a good thing to have multiple players and I hope we can have actual EU-based alternatives, but I feel like this project, simply being a rebranded NextCloud as far as I can tell, is less interesting than La Suite numérique [1] developed by the French government or CryptPad [2] developed by XWiki, a French company based in Paris.
[1] https://lasuite.numerique.gouv.fr/
[2] https://cryptpad.org/
Cryptpad is great.
Microsoft draws over 3 billion dollars out of Norway yearly. We are many that want this number much, much closer to zero. At it's small steps like this that makes it possible.
Your sovereign wealth fund probably makes 3 billion dollars out of Microsoft yearly.
The fund owns about 1.26% of Microsoft (data seems to be for 2025), which according to Gemini is about $37.5b in today's value. Stock value of Microsoft changed about 5.23% over the last year, which comes down to about $1.96b, so you're not far off...
https://www.nbim.no/no/investeringene/investeringsoversikt/#...
What about including dividends? The price of MSFT also dropped like a stone recently.
But anyway if you guys could stop forcing Microsoft on everybody that would be great.
The US is more than free to dissuade the fund from investing in Microsoft, and I don't think the Norwegian public would mind it being invested elsewhere.
Do you have a reference for that number?
It's hard to get numbers on what countries pay to Microsoft. The Dutch parliament has repeatedly asked and has not gotten numbers even though there is a whole agency since 2014 (https://www.digitaleoverheid.nl/overzicht-van-alle-onderwerp...) specifically for giving Microsoft preferential treatment in procurement.
Yes but Holland has been governed by the VVD Neoliberals for more than a decade and they have a super hard-on for everything American. I think that will probably change now.
We can only hope.
Well that's a pompous headline from the author's PR dept. "Europe" as in, "The European Union", or just some marketing trick based on making you believe it is to give it more weight?
I'm european and can still easily confuse the "European Union" and "Europe the general area" when context is lacking, it's not a big stretch of the imagination for me that people _anywhere_ could construe this as "official" as well.
All that it looks like is backed by some emanation from the city of The Hague. No mention of the EU proper. It's european owned and backed, sure, but not EU owned and backed.
Tsh, marketing. (see Bill Hicks on marketing).
This seems to be one guy who repackages nextcloud and markets it as the "european alternative" as a quick cashcrab without any own developments
"Is Office.EU a scam?" https://blog.tomaszdunia.pl/officeeu-eng/
Do you need this many wirds? What did the intro even add for the person who wants a y/n?
> Office EU is a complete cloud-based office suite
Issue is.. if you are a traditional MS Office "poweruser", the last thing you want to do is spend your days in a web browser. These apps should also be available as native apps, similar to MS Word, Excel, Pages, Keynote, etc.
The vast majority of office use at my work is in the browsers because the files are stored in Sharepoint. It seems to work well enough for basic needs (no macros and fairly simple formulas in excel etc.)
I have a non-technical friend in finance who uses the Desktop versions of Excel for most of their work and they say it crashes nearly every day losing work.
Every time SharePoint/Teams decides to open a document in the browser, I cry a little. Misalignments in Word, broken basic keyboard movements in Excel, terrible performance across the board.
Excel is pretty stable.. I guess it could be those specific sheets doing something odd.
I think it's a factor of things, but Excel isn't as stable as it once was. My friends spreadsheets include:
- Row count ~100k - Column count ~1k - The usual vlookup, etc. formulae. - Oracle extensions that sync tables to databases in the cloud.
Just like in many other cases, in-proc extensions might be easier to implement, or have lower resource demands than OS IPC, but than it has such unpleasent experiences, I bet those Oracle extensions in C, C++, COM, are to blame.
I would rather say that lack of VBA support is an issue, and that it's an insurmountable task for alternative Offices to solve. Yes, and absurd one too.
As a "poweruser", I'd rather prefer to have all software available in the browser, open source, and hackable, than a native-based COM-ridden turd that only became more bloated and slow over the last couple of decades. (Yeah, and don't forget Ribbon UI!)
Unfortunately, Office EU is about politics, and not about hackable open-source software available with a single click.
This is probably not the target audience. Most people just need to write occasional letters and sign some files.
The much more interesting projects from Europe are created by https://schwarz-digits.de/en
3 Reasons: - a significant investment from the Schwarz Group - not just a marketing stunt, but a company with a long term vision to compete with big US tech - clearly targeted at B2B with strong ties into EU politics
Am I being dumb: they say it's "open-source software" but I can't actually find a link (or links) to the software / source anywhere on the office.eu website??
Yes, I searched for the same. No evidence this has anything to do with the European Union. More like a vibe-coded landing page with user signup form.
Edit: I am certain this is one or two people vibe coding then will pitch to VCs when the waitlist has 1000 people.
Listing major company logos in their banner: “The organizations listed here use similar technology (Nextcloud) as part of their operations. Their inclusion is for illustrative purposes only.”
I like how some of the logos are inexplicably upside down:
https://office.eu/images/social-proof/tu-berlin.svg https://office.eu/images/social-proof/itzbund.svg
Oh, there's some reference to NextCloud - so is this just a white-labeled NextCloud? Or a straight-up AI generated rip-off / resell?
>"Office EU is a European productivity suite for files, email, calendars, documents and calls, built on Nextcloud Hub. It brings Files, Talk, Groupware and Office together in one platform."
https://office.eu/faq
Of which, Files, Talk, Office and Groupware are all just NextCloud services where they've swapped "Nextcloud" for "EU" in the name.
>"Office.EU is a service offered and operated by EUfforic Europe BV, registered with the Dutch chamber of commerce under registration number 98746243 and having its address at Dr. Kuyperstraat 10-A at (2514 BB) The Hague, the Netherlands."
I wouldn't personally trust a company that appears to be claiming another company's services as some revolutionary new thing, when it's just reselling them. And it was registered in November 2025 with no other information available - why would anyone gamble all their company data on a company that has appeared as quickly as it might disappear? Who are the owners/founders even?
Anyway, this was a waste of time.
Nextcloud does not provide hosting, only 3rd level support. So any commercial hosting of Nextcloud will be done by other companies. There are many companies to choose from.
https://nextcloud.com/partners/
Personally, I would only choose companies that are listed as a partner because then I can see what level of support they buy from Nextcloud.
It says that it's based on Nextcloud, which is AGPL, so they better F:ing cough up the source code :-)
I can't find any info about the people behind it. The branding, mentioning "The Hague" and the rest of the landing page seems to try really hard to fool me into believing this is official from the European Union, I wouldn't trust them with anything, just get Libreoffice.
Be careful.
Cheap purchased PR slop with fake articles and no product.
e.g.:
- https://hostingdiscussion.com/news/european-cloud-workspace-...
- https://www.jornaldenegocios.pt/empresas/amp/plataforma-offi...
And it seems to be repackaged Collabora (~LibreOffice):
https://www.theregister.com/2026/03/05/office_eu_suite/
I need to learn this skill of producing nothing and pretending I have. It seems to be very rewarding, financially speaking.
In general getting EU grants is very lucrative. It takes some relationships and writing skill but in the end you never have to deliver any results (beyond maybe a report that no one ever reads)
Really, just lack shame and sell something you do not have and bet that you can get it before anyone really presses too hard. It's an incredible thing to see.
But I'd think I'd get in trouble for not delivering it
You need to know the right people in Brussels/Washington, to milk and scam the taxpayer in your favor.
Should have gotten an MBA instead of a BS.
But I thought getting an MBA _was_ BS!
They list a bunch of companies under the heading "All these companies work with the same technology" on their landing page. I think it's quite scummy, and very non-impressive when you see it.
LibreOffice came from OpenOffice which was StarOffice which was developed in Germany.
About pricing [1]:
> What are the pricing plans?
> Office EU will offer simple plans for individuals and teams. Pricing will be competitive and designed to be easy to understand. We will publish full plan details closer to launch.
> Will there be a free plan?
> A free plan is planned after launch. It will be a good way to try Office EU before committing. Exact limits and features will be shared when it is ready.
[1] https://office.eu/faq
Weird product page, why would you put the number of member states and residents Europe has in your „feature“ section?
You can have hosted Nextcloud on Hetzner, with Headscale, email server, Vaultwarden, and Wordpress on European infrastructure (Hetzner) individually installed just for you from Federated Computer today for $19/month unlimited user accounts. I use it every day. Human support, too...!
Sure you can, you can also pirate Microsoft Office (the versions prior to the shittening). But companies don't want that, they just want to pay a few bucks per user per month to make it someone else's problem. Microsoft offers this service. Google offers this service. FOSS does not.
That's also why always-connected SaaS is winning - it makes more things the vendor's problem instead of the customer's problem. Provided that you maintain a good relationship with your vendor. A metal machining company doesn't want to hire an employee to manage a bespoke computer system, or even to replace computer parts or install Ethernet cabling in the building. They might do it, if it's the only good option, but they prefer it to just work without effort, even for more money.
Umm.. this feels like a better suited comment for another part of this thread. Federated Computer appears to offer the exact same service as OfficeEU - a SaaS/managed Nextcloud
Are we gonna talk about that cookie banner? https://cleanshot.com/share/cDQ5RMkP
Looks like a reasonable cookie banner to me: Deny (all), Custom selection and Accept all.
It even works perfectly with Consent-O-Matic extension.
It's a perfectly not reasonable cookie banner. If you click on Details, you can see that they're not using marketing, statistics, or any other kind of cookies apart from the technically necessary. Which is great, but also means that they don't even need a banner. It could just go away.
what about it?
I always find it sad that they just seem to copy the crap Microsoft does. When I see the ribbon I am already out.
Some commercial alternatives to MS Office:
https://www.wordperfect.com/en/
https://www.softmaker.com/en/
https://www.infomaniak.com/en/ksuite
https://www.group-office.com/
https://www.icewarp.com/
https://www.bitrix24.com/
https://fengoffice.com/
https://www.hancomdocs.com/en/
https://www.larksuite.com/en_sg/
https://www.polarisoffice.com/en/
To preface, I am Swedish.
But I work in IT and Office 365 is not "Office suite online" anymore. Office 365 started with running Exchange in the cloud by MS as it is a PITA for IT. That was basically it.
Office 365 is now:
- Office suite, both online and desktop apps (Vital for full feature Excel)
- Entra for Users, Groups and Policy, SSO, conditional access, MFA (Entra is actually Azure AD, not sure if this is still the case but all Office 365 get an Azure AD tenant it runs on)
- Device management via Intune, that is policy, push apps/installs, reinstalls, Autopilot, run scripts etc on machines, device state config
- File sharing with Sharepoint & Teams & personal Onedrive (this also adds endpoint backup)
- Teams - chat, video, workspace - We live in Teams at work.
- Email (that includes admin, extensive admin)
- DLP - Data loss prevention
- The power suite where users & admins can make their own apps
+ MS Graph API for all this
Oh, and it comes with Copilot chat baked in (GTP 5.3 based now) with enterprise controls.
At a big company you can have people ONLY working on the Entra part to secure user accounts. Or people ONLY on Intune to setup and manage PCs, policy etc.
Office 365 is a beast and I will argue GSuite does not match up as companies basically HAVE to buy Slack on the side to get parity. Also sysadmin on GSuite sucks.
The link actually made me laugh but also sad. It is frankly embarrassing. We in EU can do tech Spotify, Klarna, Lovable, Mojang, Dice, Arelion, Ericsson and this is only in Sweden. Look at a 4G network, it is insanley complex.
So yea not sure what the solution is. But this is too little too late. It should have started in 2008 maybe they would have a chance. It is also sheer numbers. MS is massive and Azure/O365 is their cash cow now. They make sure it is damn good.
Many businesses don't need 100% of Office 365, in fact I will assert that if they aren't listed on DAX, or similar indexes, they most likely only need Word and Excel.
Going on a wild tangent here, why do these office suite companies stick to MS Word's principle of emulating paper and typewriters? Or rather, why do people kling to that metaphor?
Surely, Notion showed us that there are better working models.
I prefer this : https://www.opendesk.eu/
What we need to get independent is the public infrastructures.
That has nothing to do with current tensions between Europe and the US.
It’s just unbecoming of a nation to depend in its core on the good will of another.
I'm inclined to agree that this should have had a different name, gonna be different come up with a good name.
As for open source as they claim ... can't find the code or a link to it on their site.
So far this smells like a lot of intent but I'm not sure what this is.
> You will be able to choose. Office EU can connect to different AI providers through APIs, such as ChatGPT, Mistral, and others
Seems a misstep to list an American AI provider first...
Isn't Proton Docs European? Not that any European government would support them, because they don't spy on their users.
I thought Proton did spy on their users.
Financial transactions aren't protected, so if you pay, you can personally be tied to the account, but they don't have access to the internal contents of the account.
Has there been a committee to decide on a committee to put forward a white paper for another committee?
As long as they keep using Macs, iPhones and Apple watches.
That'll show those pesky Americans.
XHR requests to cookiebot.com -> dig cookiebot.com -> 141.193.213.20 -> ipinfo.io -> Austin, TX
That's a cloudflare anycast address; your traffic won't be routed through Texas unless you're in or near Texas. Cookiebot would appear to be https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usercentrics
Has anybody tested the Email client? Is it somehow on par with Outlook (Desktop/install version)?
If the EU is successful in this endeavour, then the US will lean on them to abandon it.
This has been a longtime coming, it is not unique but it is still significant
The enormous momentum of the installed base and occupied headspace of Microsoft systems made them lazy and complacent decades ago. They have been peddling insecure unreliable software for a generation now, and believed their was no viable threat.
It took too long, but finally. Trump and his mad bad actions are good for the Europeans like a heart attack is good for your health
What's wrong with LibreOffice? What benefits this has?
Offices are going out of fashion.. why name a product Office in 2026?
Pretty scammy name and no info on who’s behind it.
Has it been hugged this easily? Doesn't load for me.
why isnt the EU sovereign office platform just libreoffice contributions?
rework it into a web friendly version.
what requirements does the EU have for not using libre office?
I wonder about their pricing.
I was also looking at infomaniak.com .
I'm trying to move away from MS 365 myself, both because of Trump, AI but also because Microsoft keeps making it work worse and worse with Firefox. The latest thing (as of a day or 2 ago) is every 30 minutes redirecting my outlook web to the "You just signed out of your account" page :( So I have to sign back in every time I use it, it used to simply stay open (and no settings were changed on the backend). How I hate these guys.
The most annoying thing is that none of this happens when I set my user agent to MS Edge on Windows. So they are purposefully breaking this.
Trademark lawyers are raising their eyebrows.
Yeah no. I want entirely offline stuff that runs within equipment I completely control going forwards.
One thing this whole current shit show says is geopolitics are too unstable to put your data into any system or legal jurisdiction you don’t directly control.
As an American, I remember when none of this was an issue a mere 18 months ago, and it’s crazy to think we did this to ourselves. This is all so unnecessary… and dumb, very dumb.
It was. The recent 18 months gave it more momentum of course, but it didn't just appear out of nowhere.
From: https://amsterdam.raadsinformatie.nl/document/16563456/1/Mee... (which is not the Hague, but Amsterdam)
>1.1 Introductie >Op 28 maart 2024 heeft de gemeenteraad van Amsterdam unaniem ingestemd met het (gewijzigde) initiatiefvoorstel Amsterdam Digitaal Onafhankelijk van raadslid IJmker
English:
>On March 28, 2024, the Amsterdam City Council unanimously approved the (amended) initiative proposal Amsterdam Digital Independent by Council Member IJmker
Some European countries were trying to reduce their dependency on proprietary American software for decades now, with varying success. The recent events have likely accelerated this trajectory, but it is not new.
Good luck to them, but without an equivalent to Microsoft Access it's not really a replacement for Microsoft Office for many power users. (Yes, I'm aware that Access has some weaknesses as a database but for quick-and-dirty custom applications it's still the easiest platform out there.)
In 25 years I have never seen anyone use Microsoft Access in earnest. For the overwhelming majority of users I do not think this is an issue. The last time I used it was when studying for CLAiT Plus.
We used it at Altitude Software, as one of the possible database backends for our platform, there were indee enough customers that it was a requirement to also support it on our ODBC configuration.
During the MS-DOS => Windows transitions, some folks moved from doing xBase development into VB, or Access, instead of CA Objects or FoxPro.
... Wait, people are still using MS Access?! I didn't even realise that there was still a current version.
> but for quick-and-dirty custom applications it's still the easiest platform out there.
So I'm a big LLM sceptic. Seriously, you can check. But if there is one thing that LLMs _are_ quite good at, it is the sort of quick and (very) dirty custom CRUD apps traditionally produced with Access.
wtf!? I enter my email address for an invitation, receive a link to an est. 2 pages form for answering a shit load of unrelated question, like org name, org country, last summer vacation, first time I got pimples... Is this a request to become the next pope?
this whole thing is a bait
The problem is that the Oslo world is deeply encoded into the DNA of the European union and its elites. The very goal of "restoring" the old world is what they have in mind. The moment that goal seems to even just return as a hallucination, they will drop all of these initiatives and defect. Everyone knows, so nobody even tries to get something real built.
With the university who trained these politicians, with the institutions who shaped them, with these politicians who created this multi-crisis - believing everyone out there was invested in a stable world as they were- a independent Europe is not possible. They just have to much hackable surface, to much API, they will crawl before any hacker offering them a way "back out" with the decades to come.
The EU tech ecosystem is sadder every day
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Just click the link.
You don't see how pathetic this rebrand of Nextcloud is?
It is practically a scam.
The problem is that every attempt at European alternatives is taken at the government level (of some member country or of the EU) and immediately announced with great fanfare as the European comeback. The pathetic thing about it is that everybody who isn't totally clueless sees how utterly inadequate these attempts are, given the political involvement, the microscopic resources invested, the lack of incentives from competition, and the general hostility of European legislation and bureaucracy. And yet politicians keep making fools of themselves announcing this or that EU answer to American tech.
This is not "government level" in any way. It's a small company nobody has ever heard of.
Kudos for bringing more competition to the space, regardless of being a rebranding and etc.
Minor gripe: cookie notice despite using only required first-party cookies. You’re from here, come on, go read the GDPR!
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