Yeah, nobody's moving on. The media has spent decades pumping the fear of pedos because nothing attracts outrage like harm to children, and now here's a whole group of pedo scum going untouched and seemingly uninvestigated and they're all rich and well-connected so it's much more interesting than the local sex offender map.
Not to mention the numerous poorly-explained delays, flip-flopping, and all the strange maneuvers and excuses.
Agreed and agreed. On the other hand, Protecting the Children has been the go-to justification for quite a few controversial initiatives worldwide. In this context, saying we should move on translates to something like "let's stop wasting time on that guy so we can discuss banning VPNs to protect kids against guys like that guy."
I've heard a lot of horror stories about communities defending predators and gaslighting or ostracizing victims, not to mention traditions of pederasty and other objectionable practices in many societies, so I'm not sure how natural the outrage is. We seem capable of accepting many outrageous things as normal with conditioning.
A lot of that outrage was manufactured as part of a right-wing conspiracy theory about a cult of Satanic pedophiles within the Democratic party. That and the related moral panic around transgender "groomers" were both pushed by the Republican party and the media specifically to foment outrage at "the left" and the LGBTQ+ community.
Donald Trump bragged on tape about how he could get away with sexual abuse, and he had years of allegations even before 2016, and none of it affected him. A shocking number of people don't care until they're presented with a political narrative that demonizes the proper groups.
Whoever is still benefitting (ahem) from the blackmail and money laundering stands to lose control over the blackmailed, including many of the wealthy, world leaders, business people and (ahem) legislators and judges (should they be so connected) as well as vast amounts of money/crypto from money laundering, presumably Putin's life support.
One cannot "move on" from a sex, blackmail and money-laundering enterprise, the largest in recorded history, of which parts may still be operating, and with countless uncompensated victims, both alive and allegedly rubbed out. The first domino to fall (gently) was a mere prince.
They want us to move on? After Trump was mentioned over 5000 times in the files they released initially? After they dishonestly kept redacting the files until he’s not mentioned at all today? He was probably in there way more if we had a real release of the files without the dishonesty of the DOJ.
The files that we did see imply that Trump literally stuck his finger in little girls - with his daughter Ivanka and Elon Musk present! That he murdered or ordered the murder of girls. That he assaulted a 13 year old that didn’t perform oral sex to his satisfaction. With so many allegations, and his prior convictions, and numerous other accusations of sexual crimes, I personally believe he is guilty.
Let’s also not forget his entire ecosystem of sycophants and allies are in there. Musk was in there begging Epstein to have him over for the wildest party. Thiel is in there, repeatedly meeting shady Russian officials and is likely a Russian plant himself at this point. Bannon is in there. All these people kept associating with Epstein years after he was a convicted child sex offender.
Yeah I was a bit ho hum, boring about the Epstein files before the releases but the stuff so far has proved so interesting that you can't help being curious about the ~3m pages remaining unreleased in spite of congress ordering it.
A lot of the stuck fingers in stuff is anonymous allegations sent in by unknown people so may be rubbish - time will tell maybe.
The Russian kompromat allegations sound plausible though.
The Grijalvo stuff is revelatory, especially when you think through the ramifications (of how the story was/is covered, of the official denials, of the recent video revelations and missing footage, etc).
And there's a lot more. The Mandelson stuff is pretty big news that has created a lot of impact already. The banker connections are super intriguing and under-reported. The Mexican Ambassador story seems pretty easy to confirm/deny, were any one actually trying.
And then there's the more out there allegations which uncannily line up with known events - like the story from Epstein's associate's son alleging that he rammed a tent pole up you-know-who's you-know-where.
And the fact that so much of this was known and not acted upon in any discernible way for so long says so, so much.
Yeah, nobody's moving on. The media has spent decades pumping the fear of pedos because nothing attracts outrage like harm to children, and now here's a whole group of pedo scum going untouched and seemingly uninvestigated and they're all rich and well-connected so it's much more interesting than the local sex offender map.
Not to mention the numerous poorly-explained delays, flip-flopping, and all the strange maneuvers and excuses.
> The media has spent decades pumping the fear of pedos
I'm not sure I'd be so quick to assign people's natural outrage at child abusers to "the media", and I don't think that outrage needed any pumping
Agreed and agreed. On the other hand, Protecting the Children has been the go-to justification for quite a few controversial initiatives worldwide. In this context, saying we should move on translates to something like "let's stop wasting time on that guy so we can discuss banning VPNs to protect kids against guys like that guy."
I've heard a lot of horror stories about communities defending predators and gaslighting or ostracizing victims, not to mention traditions of pederasty and other objectionable practices in many societies, so I'm not sure how natural the outrage is. We seem capable of accepting many outrageous things as normal with conditioning.
A lot of that outrage was manufactured as part of a right-wing conspiracy theory about a cult of Satanic pedophiles within the Democratic party. That and the related moral panic around transgender "groomers" were both pushed by the Republican party and the media specifically to foment outrage at "the left" and the LGBTQ+ community.
Donald Trump bragged on tape about how he could get away with sexual abuse, and he had years of allegations even before 2016, and none of it affected him. A shocking number of people don't care until they're presented with a political narrative that demonizes the proper groups.
Whoever is still benefitting (ahem) from the blackmail and money laundering stands to lose control over the blackmailed, including many of the wealthy, world leaders, business people and (ahem) legislators and judges (should they be so connected) as well as vast amounts of money/crypto from money laundering, presumably Putin's life support.
One cannot "move on" from a sex, blackmail and money-laundering enterprise, the largest in recorded history, of which parts may still be operating, and with countless uncompensated victims, both alive and allegedly rubbed out. The first domino to fall (gently) was a mere prince.
Others stll remain beyond real justice.
They want us to move on? After Trump was mentioned over 5000 times in the files they released initially? After they dishonestly kept redacting the files until he’s not mentioned at all today? He was probably in there way more if we had a real release of the files without the dishonesty of the DOJ.
The files that we did see imply that Trump literally stuck his finger in little girls - with his daughter Ivanka and Elon Musk present! That he murdered or ordered the murder of girls. That he assaulted a 13 year old that didn’t perform oral sex to his satisfaction. With so many allegations, and his prior convictions, and numerous other accusations of sexual crimes, I personally believe he is guilty.
Let’s also not forget his entire ecosystem of sycophants and allies are in there. Musk was in there begging Epstein to have him over for the wildest party. Thiel is in there, repeatedly meeting shady Russian officials and is likely a Russian plant himself at this point. Bannon is in there. All these people kept associating with Epstein years after he was a convicted child sex offender.
Nope. We can’t move on. These people are evil.
Yeah I was a bit ho hum, boring about the Epstein files before the releases but the stuff so far has proved so interesting that you can't help being curious about the ~3m pages remaining unreleased in spite of congress ordering it.
A lot of the stuck fingers in stuff is anonymous allegations sent in by unknown people so may be rubbish - time will tell maybe.
The Russian kompromat allegations sound plausible though.
Honestly you're underselling it.
The Grijalvo stuff is revelatory, especially when you think through the ramifications (of how the story was/is covered, of the official denials, of the recent video revelations and missing footage, etc).
And there's a lot more. The Mandelson stuff is pretty big news that has created a lot of impact already. The banker connections are super intriguing and under-reported. The Mexican Ambassador story seems pretty easy to confirm/deny, were any one actually trying.
And then there's the more out there allegations which uncannily line up with known events - like the story from Epstein's associate's son alleging that he rammed a tent pole up you-know-who's you-know-where.
And the fact that so much of this was known and not acted upon in any discernible way for so long says so, so much.