Apple needs a new CEO. Someone more visionary than Cook. The software needs more focus on making it "just work" and having significantly less bugs. The line-up needs to be cleaned up as well.
Right now you have the MacBook Air 13" and 15" in 3 variants and 4 colours, that makes for a total of 24 models. M4 processors only.
The MacBook Pro 14" can be purchased with the M5, M4 Pro, M4 Max in 2 colours for a total of 12 models. Then the 16" with the M4 Pro and M4 Max in 2 colours for a total of 8 models. That makes another 20 models.
That is 56 different models to pick from! And that is before customisation.
Why is there even a MacBook Pro without a Pro chip? And why are you selling M4 and M5 processors at the same time? Why release the M5 non-Pro in a Pro laptop and not put it in the Air, leaving it with an M4? The M5 is sometimes better than the M4 Pro, making it hard for the customer to decide to pick which one.
Don't even get me started on the convoluted mess of the iPhone. Apple sells the iPhone 16 (5 models), iPhone 16 Plus (10 models), iPhone 16e (6 models), iPhone 17 (10 models), iPhone Air (12 models), iPhone 17 Pro (9 models), iPhone 17 Pro Max (12 models). 64 models to pick from!
I remember Apple selling the iPhone 4. You would walk into the store, pick a Black or White model, 16 or 32 gigabyte. If you wanted colours, get a case.
Why do you consider a color to be an entirely different model? Storage size would be a better differentiator, but even then it’s just an option.
Do you feel the same way about cars? Have you been this fired up looking at a dealership all these years? So many paint options and wheel choices!
Idk, my phone gets hours of use each day, in my hands. Very personal device. I appreciate the options.
I agree with you about the cpu confusion, but I think most consumers largely act on price and many biased towards the lowest or highest ends every cycle. Largely any modern CPU will be enough for regular users.
I don't think it's about colors per-se. Sure if everything was 100% customizable and nothing else was different, whatever. But they're obviously focusing on these features and pretending they're innovating when they're just slapping some new paint on it and a slight camera bump spec and expecting you to fork over $1,500 every two years.
I still need to understand what kind of innovation the current MacBook Pro needs. It’s arguably the best laptop on the market and I wouldn’t change a thing (except maybe improved camera and added FaceID, but that would increase cost).
They dominate the market from low cost Air to top of the line MBP 16.
As long as stock profit is the only goal then Tim Cook is the correct CEO for Apple. Bribing the president publicly and doing what ever is required to keep the cash flowing in the short term is what share holders want.
Yes and no. I agree with the general sentiment, but the market may be changing in a way that Cook, et al. aren't suited to understand. So... maybe. Even probably. But eventually there'll come a point where not having a product person high up on the org chart is going to come back and bite them in the rear end. But I have no idea of when that time will be.
That runs out of steam eventually. Hence need a leader with Vision that is filling the pipeline for next few years.
Unfortunately. Once the money does run out, and they do get someone with Vision, then that Vision takes years to realize, so there would be a big slump in products/money where they could just collapse.
Usually it is a competitor that comes up with the new vision.
Maybe Apple is so big it just buys other people vision.
They need to fire Craig Federighi first, but of course that is Tim Cook's job, and he showed poor judgment in firing spiky but effective Scott Forstall to keep that hack Jony Ive. Ive is the one who appointed Alan Dye, an advertising designer with no clue about UX and too arrogant to listen to those who did, leading to iOS 7 and now Liquid Ass.
There is no point in complaining, or worse, enduring Stockholm Syndrome, Apple repeatedly demonstrated its contempt for its customers. I've decided to cut my losses after 25 years of using the modern OSX Mac (and 35 years using the Mac), and iOS since the original iPhone, to go back to Linux, and to GrapheneOS, and the migration is largely complete.
> They need to fire Craig Federighi first, but of course that is Tim Cook's job, and he showed poor judgment in firing spiky but effective Scott Forstall to keep that hack Jony Ive. Ive is the one who appointed Alan Dye, an advertising designer with no clue about UX and too arrogant to listen to those who did, leading to iOS 7 and now Liquid Ass.
These have been exactly my thoughts for years. Craig Federighi does not have any taste or interest in software quality. And Jony Ive (after Steve Jobs) has been a disaster for UI/UX and industrial hardware design. Tim Cook has been an extraordinary bean counter and hasn’t been hiring useful people (from users’ perspective) under him.
Craig Federighi needs to go when Tim Cook also moves out of his current role this year. Maybe, maybe, there are some old school folks at Apple who can take over and do things better.
> Why is there even a MacBook Pro without a Pro chip?
I like MB Pro with a regular chip: my tasks aren’t hugely parallelisable, the plain chip is plenty fast, but I want the nicer display, sound, and ports, and additional battery life is nice to have.
This reminds me of when Steve Balmer became the CEO of Microsoft.
He sold Windows in so many versions that even a developer like me had no idea of what the difference was between them. I could not figure out from the packaging which version I needed.
Windows Vista was available in Starter (32-bit only, Retail and OEM), Home Basic (32-bit and 64-bit, Retail, OEM, and Volume License, plus Home Basic N 32/64-bit, Retail/OEM/Volume, in multiple languages), Home Premium (32/64-bit, Retail/OEM/Volume, Home Premium N 32/64-bit, Retail/OEM/Volume, in multiple languages), Business (32/64-bit, Retail/OEM/Volume, Business N 32/64-bit, Retail/OEM/Volume, in multiple languages), Enterprise (32/64-bit, Volume License only, Enterprise N 32/64-bit, in multiple languages), Ultimate (32/64-bit, Retail/OEM, Ultimate N 32/64-bit, Retail/OEM, in multiple languages), and the Korean-market versions Home Basic K, Home Premium K, Business K, Enterprise K, Ultimate K (all 32/64-bit, Retail/OEM/Volume, in multiple languages), plus Tablet PC editions, Media Center pre-bundled versions, and Embedded/IoT variants, each with additional 32/64-bit and N/K distinctions, creating a combinatorial explosion of literally hundreds of distinct SKUs when factoring in architecture, licensing type, language packs, and region-specific requirements.
I should not have gone down that rabbit hole. Why is Apple selling three variants of the Apple Pencil and then the Apple Pencil Pro as well.
The first generation comes with a Lightning adapter and a USB-C to Apple Pencil Adapter (required to pair and charge with iPad (A16) and iPad (10th generation). What are those adapters doing?
It is compatible with the "iPad Pro 9.7-inch" which I presume is the first generation iPad Pro but why does it not state the generation like they do with the iPad Pro 12.9-inch? Why state "iPad (A16)" but not use the 11th generation?
Thanks for raising my blood pressure! But I had fun doing so.
what are you people talking about? Cook is the best thing that happened to apple. Look at their sales. They are killing the laptop market - likely a complete dominance in the next years. same with the iphone - first year to be the biggest phone seller in a long time.
the switch to ARM and their M silicon was one of the best moves in computing in years.
The M silicon is real, but Nokia, a company that specialized in rubber products, was doing low-power ARM 30 years ago, and the stage was set by His Jobsness with Mach binaries and Rosetta. Tim Cook was excitedly waving his hands in the last event video about some kind of evaporative cooling mechanism in the latest low-end iPhone. He has completely missed the plot.
Yes and no. They've made some great hardware, but the OS is old and slow, they fired most of the people on the #a11y team that knew what they were doing and the only reason they make Macs is so devs have a machine to write iPhone apps on.
> "My iPhone 14 Pro has 35Gb of "system data" which has basically filled up the entire storage I had left"
I occasionally use a macbook pro at £WORK for a few apple specific processes, and it currently has 188.67gb of "system data" that I have no idea how to clean up or remove. It's marked separately from the 11.01gb of macOS in the storage settings, and it constantly complains about the disk almost being full. Updating and restarting don't clear it, I wish I could just rm -rf it all. Does anyone know how I can at least see what it is, and potentially even clean it up?
EDIT: Thanks for the CleanMyMac recommendations, the 57.6gb of xcode caches that didn't show up in the "developer" section of the storage settings might have had something to do with it
The lowest hanging fruit is to clear caches from whatever package manager you're using.
I highly recommend Daisy Disk[0], which shows a folder level breakdown of your disk space usage. Hyperspace[1] is pretty nice as well. It works well if you have a lot of duplicate files. It uses APFS clones to reclaim the disk space.
So, it’s interesting. You know how with RAM, it’s a good idea for it to be “fully utilized”, in a sense that anything apps aren’t using should be used for file system cache? And then when apps do need it, the least-recently-used cache can be freed to make room? It’s actually similar for the file system itself!
If macOS is using 153GB for iCloud cache, that’s only a bad thing if it’s not giving it back up automatically if your filesystem starts getting full. Because it means you have local copies of things that live in iCloud, making the general experience faster. In that sense, you want your filesystem to be “fully utilized”. The disk viewer in macOS that shows you filesystem utilization should even be differentiating this sort of cache from “real” utilization… this cache should (if everything is working right) should logically be considered “free space”.
Now of course, if there are bugs where the OS isn’t giving that storage back when you need it, that all goes out the window. And yeah… bugs like these happen too damned often. But I still say, the idea is actually a good one, at least in theory.
What would the alternative be? Simply don't cache anything you get from icloud? Because even if you delete it more eagerly, that's a write cycle.
In fact, avoiding deleting it in case the user gets it again, is going to put fewer write cycles on the SSD, assuming you're going to write it to the SSD at all. The only alternative I can think of is keeping everything from iCloud in RAM, but that is a pretty insane idea. (Also, then the first thing you'd get is people complaining that iCloud eats up all their 5G data caps, etc.)
I was wondering what was up with my macbook and then Chrome popped something up saying I had something like 200gb of web storage that random websites had put on my machine.
I have the exact same problem. plus, I have usually surprised system processes eating up CPU like ‘suggestd’ and it’s hard to get information about what it does. I guess one could find out by reverse engineering, but that’s not the point. they could easily make it transparent and documented and the feeling of my own computer being a black box is constantly pissing me off. I regret all my investment in the Apple ecosystem and I wish I hadn’t locked me in as much.
Everytime I upload a package with altool, it makes a copy of the package somewhere in /var/folders. Luckily rebooting the computer cleans this up so it's not the issue you are running into, but if I'm not careful about rebooting the systems, our CI/CD stops working until I get physical access to the machines for a reboot.
You can use tools like CleanMyMac to show folders and their sizes. All cache and library files are counted under System, e.g. files from vagrant, docker, vms, old jetbrains IDEs, caches from rarely used/uninstalled apps etc.
You don‘t need to buy the full version, you can just use the info and delete it manually in Finder.
Having to reach for a 3rd party tool to keep litter off your system is the opposite of the Just Works marketing that Apple stands by. One of the reasons for switching over to a Mac is so you don't have to sit there running these dicey Cleaner and Sweeper apps just to keep your system maintained. If a software's (OS or otherwise) pile of vague "caches" and "library files" grows unbounded, then I would consider that a bug.
Dot folders contribute to the „System Data” section. Maven/Gradle caches can take a lot of space. Take a look at your home folder first and press CMD + SHIFT + . to reveal hidden folders. You might not need 3rd party software.
Download and open OmniDiskSweeper. THEN (important) go to Settings/Preferences > Privacy & Security > Full Disk Access, and enable it for OmniDiskSweeper. Then reopen OmniDiskSweeper and it should reveal the missing data.
Backing up the device and restoring should clean it. Also there is some "folk remedy" of setting the system clock in the future then force restarting the device.
The cleanmymac app let me do it, using the trial period. In my case it was due leftovers from music production software and an overblown docker image though, so YMMV.
Do you happen to be using Rosetta? The aot cache of that slowly fills up and its not easy to clean up. I remember i had to google some magic command to do it
Steve Jobs was an extremely unusual CEO. He was hands on, talked to designers, developers, and users, and actually cared about making good products.
Tim Cook is more of a regular CEO that wants to make money for the shareholders. He started doing stock buybacks and in general prioritizing making money.
macOS is still the best OS I'd want to use IMO--if you can manage to avoid upgrading to Tahoe--but Apple seems to definitely be on its way down.
Linux has low-key become a very valid choice for a desktop OS. You can thank a lot of people for that.
Apple and Microsoft for sandbagging.
NixOS for pioneering the immutable Linux concept.
Valve for heavily investing into making games run well.
GitHub for inventing Electron, the eater of RAM and the great equalizer of UX.
Lots and lots of Linux and distro maintainers and contributors, achieving the opposite of the death of a thousand cuts.
There are some still unsolved problems, like power management and device drivers, but I feel like we're over the hump. There's a critical mass of regular people using Linux as their primary desktop OS on modern hardware, so trying to make Linux work on a 2025 laptop no longer feels like empty struggle.
Linux is great, but IMO macOS is vastly superior to both Windows (by far) and all Linux distros I tried.
It's keyboard-centric and its shortcuts are much easier and quicker to use. For instance, CMD + left/right arrow for home vs having to reach for the home/end button. CMD + Q ("quit") vs. (I
think?) alt + F4. CMD + C still works in the terminal, shortcuts are always the same across apps, etc.
It's extremely consistent across apps and dialog boxes, which isn't the case with Windows and even less Linux. For instance, from any app browsing for a file will open the file browser with my preferred settings, bookmarks, and position. All apps handle high-DPI correctly and consistently. Most UIs follow Apple-provided guidelines, shortcuts are consistent across apps, etc.
While not required, it focuses on drag and drop vs. clicking, which is much quicker and 100 times easier to use. For instance, dragging a file from a folder to a "Browse" dialog box to select the file vs. clicking 100 times to navigate to it.
Most importantly, most of the times things just work. To install apps you normally just drag an icon into the Applications folder. Windows still makes you restart in certain cases (because it locks files, I think), Linux still has the problem that app developers don't provide easy-to-use installers.
Obviously this comes down to personal preference.
Windows is just a disgrace despite being the most popular OS for 40 years but it's good for gaming. Linux gives you the freedom to do whatever you want and fix things if you don't like them. macOS normally provides a consistent experience if you just want the thing to work and move on.
If I had a compact Linux laptop for work rather than a MacBook I'd be raw dogging NixOS already rather than using nix-darwin. There isn't really much about MacOS that sets itself apart these days.
The only other thing keeping me hooked in is that I use an iPhone and have an iPad and need a bit more time for that to feel like a sunk cost before I pull the plug on it all.
Same with Windows on my gaming PC but I haven't looked into whether I'd encounter any friction with Nix there.
All that would remain after that is getting off of iCloud for storage and email.
> There isn't really much about MacOS that sets itself apart these days.
Unless you’re using an iPhone and/or iPad. The Continuity feature, seamless copy&paste between devices, notification mirroring, iPhone mirroring, and being able to move my mouse cursor from my macOS onto the iPad are things I’d really miss when switching to a Linux desktop.
Yeah. My last corp engagement forced Win10 on me. At least I can install WSL2 and have a sane dev environment. You can run Leenucks on a MBP in a VM, but why? If I want a machine that randomly can't recognize it's boot drive, I'll get an HP.
I've never had any WiFi issues, and I think most people who started using Linux in the mid 2010s have the same experience.
Graphic though, yes (I had as much sleep issues on windows than on Linux). Especially the dual graphics intel/Nvidia. I still have to force environment variables to launch my games with the correct GC
Lol. Yes. I would like to say that's not true... and for quite a while my Dell XPS would do all three, but it wasn't a cheap device. I think their driver team isn't supporting my 8 year old XPS anymore as sleeping is... problematic. And power management on linux laptops has always been worse than windows.
But... I will gnaw my left arm off before I go back to Mach or WinNT. (Maybe I'll try using HaikuOS as my daily driver...)
Though... fwiw... I've been running a non-x version of leenucks and then booting into a X and experimental Wayland FreeBSD VM via KVM and it seems to work well. I can halt the machine and save state in about a minute and then turn off the hardware. I come back later and restore. It's not a seamless operation, but I'm happy to live with it. It's also pretty easy to checkpoint the virtual disk before installing the bazillion packages I sometimes have to install to test out various python extensions. So all I have to do is revert to a checkpoint and all that crap is gone. I don't have to worry about remembering which packages I have to manually uninstall.
AFAIK, Microsoft and/or Intel pushed to remove the usual sleep S3 state and use a less sleepy state to be able to access network and display notifications. As if it was a tablet or a Macbook.
This is (of course) badly done, and tested as well the rest of Windows, so it results in laptops waking up in bags, choking thermally, and not going back to sleep.
Just like the other replier, people who put words into others mouths are extremely annoying. And in both of your cases, come off as fanatical. I'd love to run Linux on a laptop (and have tried many times) but have actual work to get done.
Dell XPS? They were pretty good there for modern-ish devices. Not so much for random Inspirons. Lenovo had fairly decent support for their midrange on up models. HP makes crap, so it's unlikely I'll every touch another HP laptop in my lifetime.
But... I think the poster above should have said something like "pick any two (for a depressingly large number of laptop models.)" Also see my post above about what seems to be XPS models falling out of support after eight years or so.
Steve Jobs was a founder of the company. He expected to remain CEO for many years (until his illness). I do not know whether he still have a large stake but its likely he did, and he certainly formed his approach when he did.
That motivated him to look at the long term as he expected to benefit from increases in the value of the business over the long term.
A regular CEO looks more at the short term. The value when the next options vest or the next bonus or whatever.
Having had to deal with Jobs, I would like to say the man was a bit of a mercurial douche trading off his reputation. That being said... he had a great ability to see what computers could be for "normal people." Instead of stealing ideas from IBM or DEC, he "stole" ideas and staff from PARC (who stole some of the staff away from SRI.) Dude was a dick, but he used his dickishness to "encourage" people in the Apple org to make products that were better than they really had to be. [1]
Tim Cook is an amazing operations guy and only sorta gets the product vision thing. Maybe 650 milli-jobs. [2] But the people in the Apple org who have a gut feeling for what makes a decent product from a customer perspective are lower on the org chart. I'm sure they're doing daily battle with the accountants who know the price of everything but the cost of nothing.
[1] Someday I am going to write a memoir about what it was like to partner with NeXT in the early 90s.
[2] A milli-jobs is a unit of product vision. 1000 mJobs is Steve Jobs. 650 mJobs is Tim Cook. 100 mJobs is Gil Amelio.
I feel like you have to expand the taxonomy of people expressed in milli-jobs. Does anyone out there exceed 1000 mJobs? Does anyone come the closest? Is there a suitable conversion to other systems of measurement?
I'd say that it was not so much that he was a founder, but that he was the kind of business person that was happy talking to Steve Wozniak, Bill Atkinson, Andy Hertzfeld, and similar nerds.
He was able to make friends with them instead of treating them like cattle.
I've met so many business people that think talking to nerds is a total let down, a degradation of social status.
Steve Jobs famously did not make friends with his engineers. I do not know where you get this info. Or rather... he was the type of friend who probably made you prefer your enemies. a. He dicked Woz on the Breakout design, telling him he would split the proceeds 50/50 - turns out it was more 25/75. b. He dicked Dan Kottke (very early Apple employee and friend from Reid College with whom he backpacked in India) by cancelling his stock options when apple IPOed - Woz stepped in and gave Dan some of his share allocation. c. The last time I saw Burell Smith, he was homeless living on the streets in Palo Alto - very friendly of Steve to not do anything for him. d. Steve dicked Jef Raskin (who kicked off the original Macintosh project, thought Jef's idea was WAAAAY different than the Mac that eventually emerged)
What I learned working with (not for) NeXT in the early 90s was "Steve is not your friend."
It sounds strange that someone could go from lofty Apple engineer to homeless (though it certainly wouldn’t be the first fall from grace in human history).
I read the brief wikipedia page about Smith, which states he has bipolar disorder and has at least one incident that was publicized in the early
90s. Was your encounter with him before or after that?
Sadly, with some people it doesn’t matter how much money they have or how much help you give them behind the scenes. I’m not saying Jobs went to the end of the earth for him, I don’t know. But I know people from my own life where it didn’t matter, so it’s in the realm of imagination at least.
Woz comes to the West Coast VCF (Vintage Computer Festival) from time to time. For geeks of a certain age, he's a very engaging speaker and it's clear he loved the tech as much as the other older engineers who typically come to such events.
The vibe I got from him was he was very happy doing what he's doing and was happy to let Apple be the company it evolved into rather than the company it was in 1977.
Another thought. You said "macOS is still the best OS I'd want to use IMO". That is all they need. As long as you (and other users) feel that they do not switch it does not affect their sales or profits. It helps that Windows is getting worse.
I agree, Tim Cook is a businessman, Steve was someone who constantly put himself in the customers shoes. Apple needs a visionary like that, a dictator to demand a specific user engagement, and a design team able to carry it out. IMHO Tim Cook has never filled this role, and needs to step aside.
I share the same feeling. I waited as much as possible to upgrade to iOS 26 / macOS Tahoe.
Two days ago, I finally upgraded. Liquid Glass is one of the worst things I've ever seen in terms of design. It reminds me of when I personalized old cheap android phones or Linux distros just "to look cool". Cool-looking: yes. Unusable: also yes. Tasteful design: almost absent.
Just the increase of the border-radius in all elements makes it hideous. Apps with a search bar on a scrollable list look like a CSS bug when the search bar is on top of the elements. Neither the search bar nor the element underneath are visible. Although this applies to most transparency effects on Liquid Glass. Neither the elements above nor below the "glass" are visible. And the extra value added is zero.
The thing is, I can still adapt to it, or tweak transparency and contrast. But I've seen elderly relatives struggle just because WhatsApp decided to add the "Meta AI" floating button. I can't imagine what this "inaccessible" UI changes can do.
It is the first time I am trying to skip a macos version. I really hope in macos27 they will fix things. I used to skip every second windows version, so back here we are.
The worst crime for me is liquid glass on the apple watch.
All the menus are now lagging on the watch ultra gen2. Where previously it was smooth to interact with, the random lags now make it annoying and inconvenient to interact with. (I need to focus my attention on the Ui state instead of following an automatic procedure from muscle memory)
The battery sometimes randomly drains within less than a day.
There are absolutely no benefits of the new visual effects.
The watch was my favorite apple device because it helps me to reduce screen time on the phone. Now it is a source of anger.
I hit 355 GB of system data on iOS 26 last week on my 15 pro max.
Factory reset and restore from backup and it accumulates 5GB a day. Will be there again soon.
There is something seriously wrong with system data in iOS 26.
I feel like this is leaking into macOS Sequoia updates as well. Disk space just keeps getting eaten up quickly and I’m scrambling to clear up some space on a MacBook Pro with a large disk and lots of RAM. I know I should reduce user data (like the documents, photos and videos I’ve stored), but something doesn’t seem right in how more and more disk space keeps getting used.
What blows my mind isn't the pervasive bugs throughout the system, which you could attribute to a poorly-run division or dysfunctional company.
It's that the basic shit is now so broken. Safari is unusable with too many tabs because it won't suspend them. The Tahoe app launcher will randomly remove apps from the list, and you need to open Finder to get it. Apple Books is unusable; the book keeps blanking out, it displays random error messages, search is slow and cumbersome because you need to scroll the search results list each time.
There's a collapse in basic functionality where it's obvious they don't use their own products.
Curiously, since the last update I have the problem where Safari tabs go completely white after a while. Refreshing doesn‘t help. I have to copy the URL and paste it into a fresh tab.
I’ve had this one for at least a year. Suspended tabs won’t come back 1/4 of the time, and the URL is gone too; the tab is effectively gone. I’m keeping important tabs in Brave.
I have 70GB of "Messages" on my Mac because iMessage "in the cloud" still stores all your attachments locally on every device. Yes, I can set the setting to delete attachments...but I want to keep them, just not on every device locally. Just deduct them from my iCloud store if you have to.
The worst part is it can’t even show the attachments sorted by size so that one can browse and delete some large ones. Same with the Photos app on iOS. Can’t sort photos and videos by size from within the app.
What’s the point of using application databases if the application cannot even query items by size and other attributes?!
I agree, Apple needs a focus on quality. Plenty of Apple fans have been asking, for years, for a bug-fix release of all the OS's.
I don't know where the buck stops. I would point to Craig Federighi, but no doubt if Tim Cook told him he had to pivot to quality over features, Craig would do as Tim asked.
(I went to one Federighi feature meeting where engineers from the various teams show up with a demo ready to show and Craig goes round robin within the conference room watching each demo, asking questions, and then generally giving a thumbs up or not. It is done very rapid fire though—we were expected to show up "ultra-prepared". I watched him go from team to team before getting to us and my impression of his capabilities and understanding of the OS as a whole was in no way diminished by the experience. Craig is a capable guy. I want him and Apple to succeed.)
I've seen one of these posts for every single one of the ~15 years I've been using apple products, and yet still here we are, and for most it still the least worst OS going.
It is kind of funny how most of them scapegoat that Dye guy (who was poached by Meta). As if a single person was responsible for all that bad design, and it isn't a failure of the whole organisation.
Yes. Maybe they saw Windows 11 and decided that now it's the right time to release Liquid Glass and fix it later. Anyway I've been on Linux since 2009 and it's getting better at each release (Ubuntus up to 20.04 and then Debian, Gnome.)
That's pretty common: a lot of developers left Windows for a Mac in the 2000s because it was a more comfortable and realiable Unix than Linux. However I never liked the UI of Macs, so I never bought one. It was OK on the 9" screen of the original Mac in 1984, but weird on larger screens.
Luckily I've been able to make my GNOME desktop look like exactly what I want since at least 2020, when the ecosystem of GNOME shell extensions got mature enough. My current desktop is close to mix of old Windows and GNOME 2, with virtual desktops and other stuff that did not exist back then. I like stuff to stay put on screen, so no animations and all those UI gimmicks. Maybe I should have started from KDE but I got burned by KDE in 2014 and I hesitate to invest time to look at it again.
> Do Apple staff even use their products anymore, or are they all secretly harbouring Android devices?
I've been asking myself the same for a couple of years now.
Assuming Tim Apple uses an iPhone, does he just throw it in the garbage and pull out a fresh one every time the battery reaches 20%? Is no one at Apple irked by the low battery notification modal that blocks all interactions until you dismiss it, the same way it has for 19 freaking years now? It even covers the PIN entry form and makes the device unusable. I honestly think it's more reasonable to assume they're all on Android.
At this point I’m going to hold out on updating MacOS for a year. If things don’t improve or the direction doesn’t change significantly I’m going to seriously consider paying the switching costs.
I'm in the same position - holding out for a year in the hope that things change direction.
I've been in the apple ecosystem for 20 years at this point, because the ecosystem delivered real value for me. But that value has declined sharply - hardware is still good, but software quality has cratered while the drive for services revenue has become so relentless that I've now got one foot out the door.
Hm for me it's been a fairly steady state. The last 5 or so MacOS versions delivered features that got a solid meh from me:
- Big Sur did a redesign which wasn't really needed, but it wasn't that much of a downgrade. Wish they focused on fixing bugs rather.
- Monterey had live text, which has come in handy, otherwise I haven't used any of its headline features (such as shortcuts or universal control).
- Ventura: haven't used any headline features (Stage manager, continuity camera, Freeform)
- Sonoma: still nothing (Desktop widgets?, Game mode)
- Sequoia: Passwords app is cool, but have been using 1Password for a decade by this point, so had little interest in switching. (Everything else: Apple Intelligence was a joke, iPhone mirroring seems too clunky to be practical).
So nothing that exactly made me excited to upgrade, but at least things didn't get drastically worse.
But Tahoe seems like a disaster I don't want to touch. For one, it looks ridiculous. But also there seems to be a number of objectively bad design decisions all over the place. This is Apple - good design is what they got famous for. If they don't maintain an edge in UI design, then it's not the same company anymore as far as I'm concerned.
I switched after Apple dicked me on the G5 iMac about 20 years ago and haven't looked back. To be fair... all OSes have their plusses and minuses. Immediately after switching to FreeBSD as my daily driver (and then to Leenucks) I was very happy because the things that annoyed me about Apple products weren't problems in the PC world. But over time I noticed other irritants that definitely never came up with iProducts. FreeBSD and Linux give me more control over my daily experience, but at the cost of way more time debugging and administration.
Your plan seems like a good one, but remember, your mileage may always vary.
And there are days I keep thinking I want to go back to my Commodore 64. It didn't really do much, but at least it didn't bug me every 15 minutes to upgrade.
Just finished my switch. Dumped my iPhone + Macbook Pro + iPad Pro + Apple Watch + Airpods setup for a Framework 13 + GrapheneOS Pixel 10 Pro + Seiko watch and wired earbuds.
I run NixOS, it's incredibly easy to do anything I want by just pointing Claude at my dotfiles and telling it "I want this", applying, and then reverting if I don't like the results.
The switch came more from a realisation that Apple devices are becoming media/slop consumption devices, rather than devices that run my workflows for me.
I am glad at least that Apple has not forced me to update my iPhone 13 and 2023 Macbook, as Windows would have by now. I am hoping to ride this out, and that a later bundled update will remedy the worst complaints. The most alarming thought in TFA, though, was that the iPhone update might have at least a secondary mission of nudging the user to buy a new phone - certainly not an unknown tactic in tech.
Not for lack of trying. Heard the wife scream that they updated her to 26 2 days ago. And she had been warned. Not by me, she may not trust the conservative geek, but by our daughter who is cursing at iOS 26 right and left.
So far I've managed to protect all my iOS and MacOS devices, but who knows what they sneak in next...
By the way, ages ago I had to pull over on a road and wait for an iOS upgrade because Apple deemed to display the "upgrade now" dialogue over my navigation app and of course i touched the screen in the wrong place to get rid of it because i was driving.
We are all lucky that Alan Dye is off screwing up Meta now and that Tim Cook is not long for Apple. Even with just Dye gone I expect things to improve but I doubt a big change will happen until Tim Cook leaves (which cannot come soon enough).
for me this latest macOS is buggy as well. AirDrop stopped working and I cannot airdrop from my phone to my macbook that is 20cm away, connected to same fast WiFi and sometimes even wired to my macbook via usb-c.
I tried then to workaround and use apple Image Capture app to copy some files - always the latest picture is not available in the app. So now I have to do like cavemen to share some stuff to my email and download file in the email. And share button sometime fails as well...
Try opening the share menu on your phone, then opening the full airdrop menu, and airdropping to your laptop. Works for me when airdropping directly to my laptop in the share menu does not.
I've got the exact same storage issue on my iphone xr. Happened once before and it was fixed by doing a full reset and restore. That lasted about 6 months. I don't want to keep doing resets every 6 months. Has anyone found a simpler solution?
I've been successfully holding off on updating from iOS 18 by declining the prompt each time. Any tips for pinning the version more robustly? Because I feel the random upgrade prompts are going to catch me out eventually.
My iPhone has so little free space (thanks to the ever increasing “system data”) that it can’t update to iOS 26. Point updates for iOS 18 are usually much smaller and can still be installed.
I can’t believe I’m suggesting this, but… you could install a bunch of apps to get your phone storage to <10GB free, which should block it being able to update to iOS 26.
This was a trick to block Windows updates at one point, but then they started force reserving 7GB or something with a later update. It meant that some devices with small disks that supported Windows 10 no longer met the system requirements.
for the rest of the migration I had to take it piece by piece, luckily my iPhone had enough storage, I got iCloud to download everything to my iPhone, then syncthing-ed everything to another machine. I then backed up everything that I just downloaded from iCloud to a Hetzner Storage Box via restic.
It takes 1.5 seconds to close a Tab in Safari. If you hold the close tab shortcut for long so that it closes all tabs the entire browser basically freezes.
I run into this daily. I don't understand how this got through QA
Oh, I had the same (?) issue! Restarting the app fixed it temporarily. Closing (copying to a text file) all tab groups fixed it completely. Until I accumulated them again.
When I switched from 10+ or something years of android (used since Galaxy S) to iphone 13, I felt that “everything just works”. But recently it’s getting worse. I don’t know what they did, but last year or so the typing on the keyboard became progressively worse. Constant typos, wrong letters. Idk what is happening.
We need a new "snow leopard" release. No new features. Cleaning up the mess. Ethically speaking, there's no excuses for Apple. They're sitting on a huge pile of resources. Don't have the team competent enough to handle stuff? Hire them. Yet I know that's not how capitalism works.
As someone who witnessed a lot of the quality decline at Apple from the inside, hiring more people is decidedly not the answer. All that does is encourages management to engage in more churn, which is the source of these sorts of bugs.
The answer, unfortunately, is that features need to be sunsetted/removed, the engineering org shrunk, and for a smaller group to concentrate on a reliable product core.
It's not about the sheer numer of people, it's about their quality as managers, engineers, art directors and designers. Hire the best, pay them accordingly. Things can thrive without austerity, given enough good resources.
I disagree. A lot of the problems come down to part A of the system not coordinating well with part B. Take the brouhaha about the Tahoe window corners: obviously there wasn't enough communication between folks designing the window frame art and the folks implementing the window resize logic.
You can hire the best, but coordination among a group of people scales quadratically.
I'm really surprised they don't attempt to make the Mac a more work-focused machine.
Try building a graphics editor in SwiftUI. This is not really possible in 2026 in SwiftUI. I build a zoomable pannable page setup was incredibly difficult but possible.
Then try adding WYSIWG text editing to that. I got halfway to building one using CoreText to render to Canvas which works but then there's this fight with their NSAttributedString which is opaque and horrible, making it impossible to store CMYK colours alongside the text runs. There's also no way to capture iPad keyboard input in SwiftUI.
In the end, I have to build things that fit within platform constraints if I want to use SwiftUI.
The fact that e.g. Canva and Figma bypass almost all their APIs and draw to canvas should be a wake-up call for them.
Also PDF generation is painful enough that I'm considering a Java based web-service for document export on macOS.
I turned-off automatic updates as soon as the new OSs were announced but my sister got a little surprise the other day when she woke up and her iphone had updated to iOS 26. A lot of changes for no reason. I hope that now that the design team is gone things might get bit better.
My number one bug for years that baffles me as to why Apple hasn’t fixed it: Zooming in on heavy websites or PDFs (with large images or WebGL) force closes the Safari tab. Over and over again.
My MacBook Air complains about being low on storage, and when I check the disk usage (I have a 256GB version of M1), 15GB is used for Apple Intelligence, which does nothing for me, and there is no way to remove that.
It's so funny watching the proprietary OS folks despair as their software falls to pieces to make shareholders richer, meanwhile my Linux distro has "just worked" since 2007. You don't have to keep running on this treadmill, folks.
The delusion of the “Mac just works” crowd is only matched by the delusion of the Linux “year of the Desktop” crowd.
They share the same trait of “it works on my machine, I like it, therefore it’s my identity and everything else is wrong”
I use Linux regularly as a second OS for more than 15 years. Driver compatibility improved, software design and quality didn’t, in fact it suffers more or less the same problems of other mainstream OSs.
Linux on the desktop has been winning because the others got bad at a faster pace, I’m not sure there is anything to be celebrated.
It's probably not worth it to say more than that my experience simply differs from yours. I've found it incredibly unproductive to quibble with people who have jumped to the conclusion that some difference of opinion must stem from some kind of identity-justification/confirmation bias delusion out the gate. This seems to be the most common mindless kneejerk criticism people jump to these days when they're engaging not with the person they're talking to, but a strawman or stereotype they believe that they conceptually represent, which in turn seems to be the most common failure mode of internet argumentation in general. It's interesting to see how the real phenomenon of confirmation bias and some relatively well-respected theories about opinion-as-identity have jumped from psychological literature to being basically pervasive thought-terminating cliches. But I like writing out my thoughts so... against my better judgment I'll write 'em out here. As a treat
My experience with the linux ecosystem overall, which seems consistent with that of the person you're responding to from what little information that post gives, has been of consistent improvement over a long timescale with an increasingly capable stack of open-source software whose exact pieces have shifted with various community and maintainer dramas and the natural process of the birth of new projects and death of old ones over time. I've found that I have my preferences within that ecosystem, like I settled on archlinux as a distro about ten years ago and haven't really seen a strong reason to switch, despite periodically working with other popular ones in the course of a career as a software engineer and researcher. I have strong reasons to prefer a modular, composable operating system that I control, so I wouldn't consider using proprietary software if there's a working FOSS alternative. This is a bias for sure! But I find my frustration with these things has decreased in aggregate over time, even as I've changed tools and suffered switching costs for it numerous times, and dealt with the general hostility with which a lot of manufacturers seem to view open-source software running on their hardware, and their attempts to make this more difficult. However, the aggregate experience of proprietary software users seems to have significantly degraded over the same period. They generally insist that this is still worth it to them over doing what I do, and again I've been in enough dumb internet arguments to know that it's not worthwhile to do more than gently suggest that alternatives exist and may be worth trying unless I know them personally.
I do get a window into proprietary ecosystems nonetheless, because I still don't feel I can replace the use cases required of me on mobile phones with an open-source alternative yet, and have seen my frustrations steadily increase over time with both these and SaaS products that I've been required to use for work. I also got frustrated enough with game consoles that I've entirely switched over to using PCs, running linux, for any games I want to play. At every turn, I have found that while computers are always error-prone in some way or another, and using them extensively will result in some frustration, this is significantly less when I have more control over the computer, and has become less rather than more frequent as open-source projects mature. I can not only observe that my own experience with proprietary products has followed the opposite pattern, but that more and more people talking about tech companies with scorn rather than effusive praise, yelling at their phones, and the public discourse adopting terms like "platform decay", "enshittification", "tech rot", etc all suggest that this is a general trend rather than my biases
Again, your mileage may vary, but I do find it odd that you are so immediately dismissive of this perspective, accusing a pretty innocuous comment about it of reactionary identity-defense basically immediately without engaging at all. If you're inclined to listen to a zealot like me at all, I would only urge you to consider why you have assumed this so quickly, why you are so adamant that this is the only sort of person who could form such an opinion
I've been with Apple since 1979, but these days I don't even use a small percentage of all the features of the iPhone, and in spite of having bought over 800+ apps I still only use 7 of them. However, I dare not even attempt to clean up my iPhone and understand how it all works these days - I just avoid any thing cloud-related, and try to do my own manual photo backups - which is replete with its own dangers, it has to be said.
It really does seem like nobody at Apple is actually using any of the software they're releasing. Its just such shoddy quality control!
Agree, been using Apple on-off for decades, seems to get worse every time.
> try to do my own manual photo backups
As a Linux desktop user but Apple phone user, I do the same thing, so I can save the photos to my NAS, using ipairdevice/libimobiledevice/ifuse et al. to do it. Best part? Apple still spams me that my photos aren't backed up, because I'm not using iCloud. Is there a way of disabling that? Nope, they'll forever bother me about this, thanks.
> It really does seem like nobody at Apple is actually using any of the software they're releasing. Its just such shoddy quality control!
I think this is the crux, there are no humans with brains doing QA anymore. Since I got my iPhone 12 Mini, up until yesterday when I last used it, CarPlay still feels like it's worth risking my life every time someone calls me while I use the navigation. Not a single person could have tried this at Apple, because who would think it's a great idea showing a large avatar across the screen, over the navigation, as soon as someone calls? Absolutely bananas the direction Apple went as soon as Jobs disappeared, shame really.
I use Image Capture.app to manually retrieve my photo's - which normally works fine unless I forget to create a new folder for the task, and instead import into the older folders - which often means I overwrite prior photo's and lose data! Its so freakin' frustrating that, in the rush to get rid of files and folders from the users perception of their own personal filesystems, Apple has made it worse to maintain things manually.
Maybe this is just a reminder to put your iProduct down, go outside and touch grass.
(Oh man. That came out super smug. Imagine the non-smug version of that message. Maybe it should have been something like "I went on a project to reduce the amount of screen time over the last couple of years and generally feel healthier and happier. Pick your own level of engagement with tech, but I encourage you to think about if you're spending too much time on your phone (or commenting on threads at ycombinator.com) at least every couple of months.")
If you think what's happening at Apple now is because of a single individual, you're wildly out of touch, it's an organization issue, pervasive in everything they put out today. Lack of proper QA I'd say is the reason.
While quality control isn't easy problem, it baffles my mind whenever I find a bug and it has been reported for years and still wasn't fixed in iphone/mac(or worse some user reported hack works). Those two are so big that spending a billion dollar for quality will make it back for sure.
Specifically this System Data issue is big problem but I read online about it and tried stupid fix: set time to far future. Supposedly will expire this system data caches. Nonsense, I said. It is foolish to make cache so big it does not allow update to download.
But I did it nonetheless and system data reduced! So crazy is real.
DaisyDisk - the version you download from them, not the one from the app store which has to be sandboxed - helps with purging that crap.
But then you have to buy an extra app to fix Apple's mess.
Personally I don't mind because I use it to clear my personal crap and it's made its money back countless times already, but to get it just for the purge...
Ironically, Google is the safer bet and this might have been a correct decision from Tim Apple.
AI is changing at a rapid pace ( still ) and OpenAI is no longer the only game in town at the top, plus their finances are.. something we’ll hear about the next year and Sam Altman is an incredible unscrupulous person with past actions and decisions catching up to him. Not exactly the situation you want to partner with.
At this point you don’t need your AI on Apple devices to be revolutionary, it needs to work and be better than the current situation which is not difficult.
Gemini 3 is quite good for the general public, Google has the money to keep playing the AÍ games and also played ball with Apple, OpenAI only has 1 or 2 of those going for them.
Possibly. Until online features are added, marking a slow decline into the everything-as-a-subscription-service world (E-ASS). Look at Apple vs Google stock price for the carrot.
Even if I turn it off, how to I remove it and reclaim the space I paid for?
Early this month, I was browsing the same sites I always do when Safari on my iPhone suddenly became very sluggish. I closed Safari and reopened it, and poof! Everything was gone: favorites, history, open tabs, everything.
This kind of BS has become very common with Apple. There's a very pretty happy path, and a very ugly muddy trail if you fall off the scenic route.
Yeah. I've been using Apple products off and on for 47 years and:
a. Apple is not the same company it was 40 years ago. Or 20 years ago. Or 5 years ago.
b. Apple quality varies greatly over time. I'm typing this on an 8 year old Dell XPS laptop. I've never had an Apple product I bought new last more than about 4 years. People tell me they've had Apple products last 6-8 years before dying. Clearly there's a distribution, but the central tendency of the apple curve is lower than the central tendency of Dell or Lenovo.
c. Apple is filled with <insert epithet I can't repeat here>. Without exception, everyone I've met in the product group is actively trying to figure out how to get you to buy a new iProduct. And they seem to hire only sociopaths. Engineering doesn't seem to be overrun with sociopaths. I think because at the end of the day they have to build things that work for at least a few months after you unbox them.
Apple is absolutely trying to make your experience of an older iProduct craptastic. But... so is everyone else in the industry. It's just that Apple, who once made very decent products, had much higher from which to fall.
> Apple is absolutely trying to make your experience of an older iProduct craptastic. But... so is everyone else in the industry. It's just that Apple, who once made very decent products, had much higher from which to fall.
My personal laptop is a 7 year old Dell G5 running Linux Mint.
My experience using that on a daily basis is actually pretty decent. Very smooth sailing. It is good enough that I keep postponing my decision to get a new machine.
So, no. This is an Apple problem, not "everyone else in the industry".
Apple needs a new CEO. Someone more visionary than Cook. The software needs more focus on making it "just work" and having significantly less bugs. The line-up needs to be cleaned up as well.
Right now you have the MacBook Air 13" and 15" in 3 variants and 4 colours, that makes for a total of 24 models. M4 processors only.
The MacBook Pro 14" can be purchased with the M5, M4 Pro, M4 Max in 2 colours for a total of 12 models. Then the 16" with the M4 Pro and M4 Max in 2 colours for a total of 8 models. That makes another 20 models.
That is 56 different models to pick from! And that is before customisation.
Why is there even a MacBook Pro without a Pro chip? And why are you selling M4 and M5 processors at the same time? Why release the M5 non-Pro in a Pro laptop and not put it in the Air, leaving it with an M4? The M5 is sometimes better than the M4 Pro, making it hard for the customer to decide to pick which one.
Don't even get me started on the convoluted mess of the iPhone. Apple sells the iPhone 16 (5 models), iPhone 16 Plus (10 models), iPhone 16e (6 models), iPhone 17 (10 models), iPhone Air (12 models), iPhone 17 Pro (9 models), iPhone 17 Pro Max (12 models). 64 models to pick from!
I remember Apple selling the iPhone 4. You would walk into the store, pick a Black or White model, 16 or 32 gigabyte. If you wanted colours, get a case.
Why do you consider a color to be an entirely different model? Storage size would be a better differentiator, but even then it’s just an option.
Do you feel the same way about cars? Have you been this fired up looking at a dealership all these years? So many paint options and wheel choices!
Idk, my phone gets hours of use each day, in my hands. Very personal device. I appreciate the options.
I agree with you about the cpu confusion, but I think most consumers largely act on price and many biased towards the lowest or highest ends every cycle. Largely any modern CPU will be enough for regular users.
I don't think it's about colors per-se. Sure if everything was 100% customizable and nothing else was different, whatever. But they're obviously focusing on these features and pretending they're innovating when they're just slapping some new paint on it and a slight camera bump spec and expecting you to fork over $1,500 every two years.
I still need to understand what kind of innovation the current MacBook Pro needs. It’s arguably the best laptop on the market and I wouldn’t change a thing (except maybe improved camera and added FaceID, but that would increase cost).
They dominate the market from low cost Air to top of the line MBP 16.
As long as stock profit is the only goal then Tim Cook is the correct CEO for Apple. Bribing the president publicly and doing what ever is required to keep the cash flowing in the short term is what share holders want.
Yes and no. I agree with the general sentiment, but the market may be changing in a way that Cook, et al. aren't suited to understand. So... maybe. Even probably. But eventually there'll come a point where not having a product person high up on the org chart is going to come back and bite them in the rear end. But I have no idea of when that time will be.
> But eventually there'll come a point where not having a product person high up on the org chart is going to come back and bite them in the rear end.
Are there any great examples where having a non-product-focused CEO has left the company in a good competitive position after 10-15 years?
That runs out of steam eventually. Hence need a leader with Vision that is filling the pipeline for next few years.
Unfortunately. Once the money does run out, and they do get someone with Vision, then that Vision takes years to realize, so there would be a big slump in products/money where they could just collapse.
Usually it is a competitor that comes up with the new vision.
Maybe Apple is so big it just buys other people vision.
But hang on, Cook has Vision _Pro_!
They need to fire Craig Federighi first, but of course that is Tim Cook's job, and he showed poor judgment in firing spiky but effective Scott Forstall to keep that hack Jony Ive. Ive is the one who appointed Alan Dye, an advertising designer with no clue about UX and too arrogant to listen to those who did, leading to iOS 7 and now Liquid Ass.
There is no point in complaining, or worse, enduring Stockholm Syndrome, Apple repeatedly demonstrated its contempt for its customers. I've decided to cut my losses after 25 years of using the modern OSX Mac (and 35 years using the Mac), and iOS since the original iPhone, to go back to Linux, and to GrapheneOS, and the migration is largely complete.
> They need to fire Craig Federighi first, but of course that is Tim Cook's job, and he showed poor judgment in firing spiky but effective Scott Forstall to keep that hack Jony Ive. Ive is the one who appointed Alan Dye, an advertising designer with no clue about UX and too arrogant to listen to those who did, leading to iOS 7 and now Liquid Ass.
These have been exactly my thoughts for years. Craig Federighi does not have any taste or interest in software quality. And Jony Ive (after Steve Jobs) has been a disaster for UI/UX and industrial hardware design. Tim Cook has been an extraordinary bean counter and hasn’t been hiring useful people (from users’ perspective) under him.
Craig Federighi needs to go when Tim Cook also moves out of his current role this year. Maybe, maybe, there are some old school folks at Apple who can take over and do things better.
My journey is quite similar, although I haven’t migrated (back) to Linux and not away from iPhone yet.
Do you have a writeup of that, somewhere? How do you manage without device interoperability (i.e. copy and paste between Mac and iPhone)?
It's still work-in-progress: https://blog.majid.info/quit-apple/
You can copy-paste using LocalSend. Not as seamless, but it does work, including with Apple devices.
> Why is there even a MacBook Pro without a Pro chip?
I like MB Pro with a regular chip: my tasks aren’t hugely parallelisable, the plain chip is plenty fast, but I want the nicer display, sound, and ports, and additional battery life is nice to have.
This reminds me of when Steve Balmer became the CEO of Microsoft.
He sold Windows in so many versions that even a developer like me had no idea of what the difference was between them. I could not figure out from the packaging which version I needed.
Had to use an LLM to generate this list:
Windows Vista was available in Starter (32-bit only, Retail and OEM), Home Basic (32-bit and 64-bit, Retail, OEM, and Volume License, plus Home Basic N 32/64-bit, Retail/OEM/Volume, in multiple languages), Home Premium (32/64-bit, Retail/OEM/Volume, Home Premium N 32/64-bit, Retail/OEM/Volume, in multiple languages), Business (32/64-bit, Retail/OEM/Volume, Business N 32/64-bit, Retail/OEM/Volume, in multiple languages), Enterprise (32/64-bit, Volume License only, Enterprise N 32/64-bit, in multiple languages), Ultimate (32/64-bit, Retail/OEM, Ultimate N 32/64-bit, Retail/OEM, in multiple languages), and the Korean-market versions Home Basic K, Home Premium K, Business K, Enterprise K, Ultimate K (all 32/64-bit, Retail/OEM/Volume, in multiple languages), plus Tablet PC editions, Media Center pre-bundled versions, and Embedded/IoT variants, each with additional 32/64-bit and N/K distinctions, creating a combinatorial explosion of literally hundreds of distinct SKUs when factoring in architecture, licensing type, language packs, and region-specific requirements.
Leading to Jeff Atwood's memorable rant:
https://blog.codinghorror.com/oh-you-wanted-awesome-edition/
"Open source software only comes in one edition: awesome."
You listed the K/N etc. ones as well, they're still a thing to this day...
And the situation was pretty much the same thing for Windows 7
preach your truth, brother.
Guess I’m not in a position in telling Apple how to structure their product offering and choice isn’t a bad thing IMHO.
But I’d highly encourage you to have a look into which Apple pencil is compatible to which iPad.
Choice, yes, a mess - no.
I should not have gone down that rabbit hole. Why is Apple selling three variants of the Apple Pencil and then the Apple Pencil Pro as well.
The first generation comes with a Lightning adapter and a USB-C to Apple Pencil Adapter (required to pair and charge with iPad (A16) and iPad (10th generation). What are those adapters doing?
It is compatible with the "iPad Pro 9.7-inch" which I presume is the first generation iPad Pro but why does it not state the generation like they do with the iPad Pro 12.9-inch? Why state "iPad (A16)" but not use the 11th generation?
Thanks for raising my blood pressure! But I had fun doing so.
No Apple Pencil Ultra? What a missed opportunity.
And try getting Apple Care for them without buying an iPad at the same time.
The Pencil is covered through the Apple Care of your iPad, even when purchased separately.
Using a Pencil without an iPad and wanting Apple Care on it is a bit of a niche use case. And do you really need Apple Care on a $79/$99/$129 product?
I wanted to add a Pencil to an existing iPad.
Company policy required me to get AppleCare for the new device, there was no way to add it to just the Pencil. At least on the India site.
what are you people talking about? Cook is the best thing that happened to apple. Look at their sales. They are killing the laptop market - likely a complete dominance in the next years. same with the iphone - first year to be the biggest phone seller in a long time.
the switch to ARM and their M silicon was one of the best moves in computing in years.
The M silicon is real, but Nokia, a company that specialized in rubber products, was doing low-power ARM 30 years ago, and the stage was set by His Jobsness with Mach binaries and Rosetta. Tim Cook was excitedly waving his hands in the last event video about some kind of evaporative cooling mechanism in the latest low-end iPhone. He has completely missed the plot.
At least 15 years ago (I haven't bothered to look since), you could actually still buy Nokia toilet paper.
I find this comment baffling. Apple needs a new CEO because their products come in lots of colors? And they have (gasps) two series of laptop chips?
Apple's hardware lineup has never been stronger. They need a new software guy, and it looks like they've recently gotten one.
Yes and no. They've made some great hardware, but the OS is old and slow, they fired most of the people on the #a11y team that knew what they were doing and the only reason they make Macs is so devs have a machine to write iPhone apps on.
I'd hardly call a different colour an extra mnodel
> "My iPhone 14 Pro has 35Gb of "system data" which has basically filled up the entire storage I had left"
I occasionally use a macbook pro at £WORK for a few apple specific processes, and it currently has 188.67gb of "system data" that I have no idea how to clean up or remove. It's marked separately from the 11.01gb of macOS in the storage settings, and it constantly complains about the disk almost being full. Updating and restarting don't clear it, I wish I could just rm -rf it all. Does anyone know how I can at least see what it is, and potentially even clean it up?
EDIT: Thanks for the CleanMyMac recommendations, the 57.6gb of xcode caches that didn't show up in the "developer" section of the storage settings might have had something to do with it
The lowest hanging fruit is to clear caches from whatever package manager you're using.
I highly recommend Daisy Disk[0], which shows a folder level breakdown of your disk space usage. Hyperspace[1] is pretty nice as well. It works well if you have a lot of duplicate files. It uses APFS clones to reclaim the disk space.
0: https://daisydiskapp.com
1: http://hypercritical.co/2025/02/25/hyperspace
I am pretty sure its this
/System/Volumes/Data/Users/<your_user>/Library/Containers/com.apple.Safari/Data/Library/Caches/CloudKit/
I need to `rm` it at least once a month, I ran `du -sh` and it takes 153gb on my machine
So, it’s interesting. You know how with RAM, it’s a good idea for it to be “fully utilized”, in a sense that anything apps aren’t using should be used for file system cache? And then when apps do need it, the least-recently-used cache can be freed to make room? It’s actually similar for the file system itself!
If macOS is using 153GB for iCloud cache, that’s only a bad thing if it’s not giving it back up automatically if your filesystem starts getting full. Because it means you have local copies of things that live in iCloud, making the general experience faster. In that sense, you want your filesystem to be “fully utilized”. The disk viewer in macOS that shows you filesystem utilization should even be differentiating this sort of cache from “real” utilization… this cache should (if everything is working right) should logically be considered “free space”.
Now of course, if there are bugs where the OS isn’t giving that storage back when you need it, that all goes out the window. And yeah… bugs like these happen too damned often. But I still say, the idea is actually a good one, at least in theory.
This would be acceptable if solid state storage weren’t so susceptible to write wear, in a laptop where nothing is user serviceable.
What would the alternative be? Simply don't cache anything you get from icloud? Because even if you delete it more eagerly, that's a write cycle.
In fact, avoiding deleting it in case the user gets it again, is going to put fewer write cycles on the SSD, assuming you're going to write it to the SSD at all. The only alternative I can think of is keeping everything from iCloud in RAM, but that is a pretty insane idea. (Also, then the first thing you'd get is people complaining that iCloud eats up all their 5G data caps, etc.)
https://github.com/tw93/Mole
I was wondering what was up with my macbook and then Chrome popped something up saying I had something like 200gb of web storage that random websites had put on my machine.
I have the exact same problem. plus, I have usually surprised system processes eating up CPU like ‘suggestd’ and it’s hard to get information about what it does. I guess one could find out by reverse engineering, but that’s not the point. they could easily make it transparent and documented and the feeling of my own computer being a black box is constantly pissing me off. I regret all my investment in the Apple ecosystem and I wish I hadn’t locked me in as much.
Often lots of this "system data" is in ~/Library/Caches:
This will show you the cache size for each application.Yes!
You can go to the folder ~/Library and then delete what you want.
To open the folder from a terminal: cd ~/Library open .
In the Finder, you can enable "Calculate all sizes" from "View options," which will calculate folder sizes to understand what to clean first.
This folder contains data from all apps; sometimes it is cache, sometimes persistent data. You will find all your previous apps taking gigabytes...
~/Library/Caches - you can probably delete stuff
~/Library - definitely not
As an example, I have ~/Library/Android/sdk which takes 8 Go.
If I know I do not need the Android SDK, I can safely delete it.
Everytime I upload a package with altool, it makes a copy of the package somewhere in /var/folders. Luckily rebooting the computer cleans this up so it's not the issue you are running into, but if I'm not careful about rebooting the systems, our CI/CD stops working until I get physical access to the machines for a reboot.
You can use tools like CleanMyMac to show folders and their sizes. All cache and library files are counted under System, e.g. files from vagrant, docker, vms, old jetbrains IDEs, caches from rarely used/uninstalled apps etc.
You don‘t need to buy the full version, you can just use the info and delete it manually in Finder.
Having to reach for a 3rd party tool to keep litter off your system is the opposite of the Just Works marketing that Apple stands by. One of the reasons for switching over to a Mac is so you don't have to sit there running these dicey Cleaner and Sweeper apps just to keep your system maintained. If a software's (OS or otherwise) pile of vague "caches" and "library files" grows unbounded, then I would consider that a bug.
Dot folders contribute to the „System Data” section. Maven/Gradle caches can take a lot of space. Take a look at your home folder first and press CMD + SHIFT + . to reveal hidden folders. You might not need 3rd party software.
Download and open OmniDiskSweeper. THEN (important) go to Settings/Preferences > Privacy & Security > Full Disk Access, and enable it for OmniDiskSweeper. Then reopen OmniDiskSweeper and it should reveal the missing data.
Backing up the device and restoring should clean it. Also there is some "folk remedy" of setting the system clock in the future then force restarting the device.
Apple... '"It just works" used to be our motto'.
The cleanmymac app let me do it, using the trial period. In my case it was due leftovers from music production software and an overblown docker image though, so YMMV.
Do you happen to be using Rosetta? The aot cache of that slowly fills up and its not easy to clean up. I remember i had to google some magic command to do it
Are you Java developer? For example Gradle tends to download half of the Internet and the store it etc
Steve Jobs was an extremely unusual CEO. He was hands on, talked to designers, developers, and users, and actually cared about making good products.
Tim Cook is more of a regular CEO that wants to make money for the shareholders. He started doing stock buybacks and in general prioritizing making money.
macOS is still the best OS I'd want to use IMO--if you can manage to avoid upgrading to Tahoe--but Apple seems to definitely be on its way down.
Hopefully something changes.
> macOS is still the best OS I'd want to use IMO
Linux has low-key become a very valid choice for a desktop OS. You can thank a lot of people for that.
Apple and Microsoft for sandbagging.
NixOS for pioneering the immutable Linux concept.
Valve for heavily investing into making games run well.
GitHub for inventing Electron, the eater of RAM and the great equalizer of UX.
Lots and lots of Linux and distro maintainers and contributors, achieving the opposite of the death of a thousand cuts.
There are some still unsolved problems, like power management and device drivers, but I feel like we're over the hump. There's a critical mass of regular people using Linux as their primary desktop OS on modern hardware, so trying to make Linux work on a 2025 laptop no longer feels like empty struggle.
Linux is great, but IMO macOS is vastly superior to both Windows (by far) and all Linux distros I tried.
It's keyboard-centric and its shortcuts are much easier and quicker to use. For instance, CMD + left/right arrow for home vs having to reach for the home/end button. CMD + Q ("quit") vs. (I think?) alt + F4. CMD + C still works in the terminal, shortcuts are always the same across apps, etc.
It's extremely consistent across apps and dialog boxes, which isn't the case with Windows and even less Linux. For instance, from any app browsing for a file will open the file browser with my preferred settings, bookmarks, and position. All apps handle high-DPI correctly and consistently. Most UIs follow Apple-provided guidelines, shortcuts are consistent across apps, etc.
While not required, it focuses on drag and drop vs. clicking, which is much quicker and 100 times easier to use. For instance, dragging a file from a folder to a "Browse" dialog box to select the file vs. clicking 100 times to navigate to it.
Most importantly, most of the times things just work. To install apps you normally just drag an icon into the Applications folder. Windows still makes you restart in certain cases (because it locks files, I think), Linux still has the problem that app developers don't provide easy-to-use installers.
Obviously this comes down to personal preference.
Windows is just a disgrace despite being the most popular OS for 40 years but it's good for gaming. Linux gives you the freedom to do whatever you want and fix things if you don't like them. macOS normally provides a consistent experience if you just want the thing to work and move on.
If I had a compact Linux laptop for work rather than a MacBook I'd be raw dogging NixOS already rather than using nix-darwin. There isn't really much about MacOS that sets itself apart these days.
The only other thing keeping me hooked in is that I use an iPhone and have an iPad and need a bit more time for that to feel like a sunk cost before I pull the plug on it all.
Same with Windows on my gaming PC but I haven't looked into whether I'd encounter any friction with Nix there.
All that would remain after that is getting off of iCloud for storage and email.
> There isn't really much about MacOS that sets itself apart these days.
Unless you’re using an iPhone and/or iPad. The Continuity feature, seamless copy&paste between devices, notification mirroring, iPhone mirroring, and being able to move my mouse cursor from my macOS onto the iPad are things I’d really miss when switching to a Linux desktop.
Yeah. My last corp engagement forced Win10 on me. At least I can install WSL2 and have a sane dev environment. You can run Leenucks on a MBP in a VM, but why? If I want a machine that randomly can't recognize it's boot drive, I'll get an HP.
Ah yes, Linux on a laptop: wifi, sleep, graphics - pick any two
I've never had any WiFi issues, and I think most people who started using Linux in the mid 2010s have the same experience.
Graphic though, yes (I had as much sleep issues on windows than on Linux). Especially the dual graphics intel/Nvidia. I still have to force environment variables to launch my games with the correct GC
Lol. Yes. I would like to say that's not true... and for quite a while my Dell XPS would do all three, but it wasn't a cheap device. I think their driver team isn't supporting my 8 year old XPS anymore as sleeping is... problematic. And power management on linux laptops has always been worse than windows.
But... I will gnaw my left arm off before I go back to Mach or WinNT. (Maybe I'll try using HaikuOS as my daily driver...)
Though... fwiw... I've been running a non-x version of leenucks and then booting into a X and experimental Wayland FreeBSD VM via KVM and it seems to work well. I can halt the machine and save state in about a minute and then turn off the hardware. I come back later and restore. It's not a seamless operation, but I'm happy to live with it. It's also pretty easy to checkpoint the virtual disk before installing the bazillion packages I sometimes have to install to test out various python extensions. So all I have to do is revert to a checkpoint and all that crap is gone. I don't have to worry about remembering which packages I have to manually uninstall.
It's not 2005 anymore, most distros work 100% on install
Maybe. And then what’s battery life like - half, one 3rd?
I have an x86 HP tablet that dual boots Windows 11 and Linux. I don't have specific numbers, but battery life is better on the Linux side.
It's better than Windows, but obviously worse than Mac (both hardware and software reasons).
My laptops don't kill themselves waking up in my bags so I could argue it's at least 5x better than windows.
Things moved on nicely in 20 years, you should try it for yourself.
What is the deal with waking up randomly with the lid closed on Windows?
I can't figure out why Windows has these crazy bugs that aren't addressed, aren't a huge company with almost infinite resources..?
Why can't they make Windows work properly, it's been 40 years... :-/
AFAIK, Microsoft and/or Intel pushed to remove the usual sleep S3 state and use a less sleepy state to be able to access network and display notifications. As if it was a tablet or a Macbook.
This is (of course) badly done, and tested as well the rest of Windows, so it results in laptops waking up in bags, choking thermally, and not going back to sleep.
Where did I say I haven’t?
You wouldn't be asking questions like this if you had, you'd know the same answers found in this thread.
Just like the other replier, people who put words into others mouths are extremely annoying. And in both of your cases, come off as fanatical. I'd love to run Linux on a laptop (and have tried many times) but have actual work to get done.
Seems like you're just being obtuse for fun, which I also find extremely annoying.
Mostly similar - sometimes better, sometimes worse. It's not 2005 anymore.
Hm i have all three
Dell XPS? They were pretty good there for modern-ish devices. Not so much for random Inspirons. Lenovo had fairly decent support for their midrange on up models. HP makes crap, so it's unlikely I'll every touch another HP laptop in my lifetime.
But... I think the poster above should have said something like "pick any two (for a depressingly large number of laptop models.)" Also see my post above about what seems to be XPS models falling out of support after eight years or so.
I believe you never worked with Steve Jobs. This is not my memory of working with him.
You believe right :-)
Steve Jobs was a founder of the company. He expected to remain CEO for many years (until his illness). I do not know whether he still have a large stake but its likely he did, and he certainly formed his approach when he did.
That motivated him to look at the long term as he expected to benefit from increases in the value of the business over the long term.
A regular CEO looks more at the short term. The value when the next options vest or the next bonus or whatever.
Having had to deal with Jobs, I would like to say the man was a bit of a mercurial douche trading off his reputation. That being said... he had a great ability to see what computers could be for "normal people." Instead of stealing ideas from IBM or DEC, he "stole" ideas and staff from PARC (who stole some of the staff away from SRI.) Dude was a dick, but he used his dickishness to "encourage" people in the Apple org to make products that were better than they really had to be. [1]
Tim Cook is an amazing operations guy and only sorta gets the product vision thing. Maybe 650 milli-jobs. [2] But the people in the Apple org who have a gut feeling for what makes a decent product from a customer perspective are lower on the org chart. I'm sure they're doing daily battle with the accountants who know the price of everything but the cost of nothing.
[1] Someday I am going to write a memoir about what it was like to partner with NeXT in the early 90s.
[2] A milli-jobs is a unit of product vision. 1000 mJobs is Steve Jobs. 650 mJobs is Tim Cook. 100 mJobs is Gil Amelio.
I feel like you have to expand the taxonomy of people expressed in milli-jobs. Does anyone out there exceed 1000 mJobs? Does anyone come the closest? Is there a suitable conversion to other systems of measurement?
I'd love to read that memoir. I feel like the NeXT era is really interesting but somewhat less covered than other periods.
I'd say that it was not so much that he was a founder, but that he was the kind of business person that was happy talking to Steve Wozniak, Bill Atkinson, Andy Hertzfeld, and similar nerds.
He was able to make friends with them instead of treating them like cattle.
I've met so many business people that think talking to nerds is a total let down, a degradation of social status.
Steve Jobs famously did not make friends with his engineers. I do not know where you get this info. Or rather... he was the type of friend who probably made you prefer your enemies. a. He dicked Woz on the Breakout design, telling him he would split the proceeds 50/50 - turns out it was more 25/75. b. He dicked Dan Kottke (very early Apple employee and friend from Reid College with whom he backpacked in India) by cancelling his stock options when apple IPOed - Woz stepped in and gave Dan some of his share allocation. c. The last time I saw Burell Smith, he was homeless living on the streets in Palo Alto - very friendly of Steve to not do anything for him. d. Steve dicked Jef Raskin (who kicked off the original Macintosh project, thought Jef's idea was WAAAAY different than the Mac that eventually emerged)
What I learned working with (not for) NeXT in the early 90s was "Steve is not your friend."
It sounds strange that someone could go from lofty Apple engineer to homeless (though it certainly wouldn’t be the first fall from grace in human history).
I read the brief wikipedia page about Smith, which states he has bipolar disorder and has at least one incident that was publicized in the early 90s. Was your encounter with him before or after that?
Sadly, with some people it doesn’t matter how much money they have or how much help you give them behind the scenes. I’m not saying Jobs went to the end of the earth for him, I don’t know. But I know people from my own life where it didn’t matter, so it’s in the realm of imagination at least.
The stock bs sounds dickish though.
Yes, I agree.
So, I guess our only hope is to get Woz back..?
Woz comes to the West Coast VCF (Vintage Computer Festival) from time to time. For geeks of a certain age, he's a very engaging speaker and it's clear he loved the tech as much as the other older engineers who typically come to such events.
The vibe I got from him was he was very happy doing what he's doing and was happy to let Apple be the company it evolved into rather than the company it was in 1977.
Maybe!
Another thought. You said "macOS is still the best OS I'd want to use IMO". That is all they need. As long as you (and other users) feel that they do not switch it does not affect their sales or profits. It helps that Windows is getting worse.
Well, I'm not upgrading to Tahoe though, so I'm not buying anything new they come out with...
That would be awesome
I agree, Tim Cook is a businessman, Steve was someone who constantly put himself in the customers shoes. Apple needs a visionary like that, a dictator to demand a specific user engagement, and a design team able to carry it out. IMHO Tim Cook has never filled this role, and needs to step aside.
I share the same feeling. I waited as much as possible to upgrade to iOS 26 / macOS Tahoe.
Two days ago, I finally upgraded. Liquid Glass is one of the worst things I've ever seen in terms of design. It reminds me of when I personalized old cheap android phones or Linux distros just "to look cool". Cool-looking: yes. Unusable: also yes. Tasteful design: almost absent.
Just the increase of the border-radius in all elements makes it hideous. Apps with a search bar on a scrollable list look like a CSS bug when the search bar is on top of the elements. Neither the search bar nor the element underneath are visible. Although this applies to most transparency effects on Liquid Glass. Neither the elements above nor below the "glass" are visible. And the extra value added is zero.
The thing is, I can still adapt to it, or tweak transparency and contrast. But I've seen elderly relatives struggle just because WhatsApp decided to add the "Meta AI" floating button. I can't imagine what this "inaccessible" UI changes can do.
It is the first time I am trying to skip a macos version. I really hope in macos27 they will fix things. I used to skip every second windows version, so back here we are.
same here. using mac since OS9, and Tahoe is the first time i skipped a version (downgrade after 2 months)
The worst crime for me is liquid glass on the apple watch. All the menus are now lagging on the watch ultra gen2. Where previously it was smooth to interact with, the random lags now make it annoying and inconvenient to interact with. (I need to focus my attention on the Ui state instead of following an automatic procedure from muscle memory)
The battery sometimes randomly drains within less than a day. There are absolutely no benefits of the new visual effects.
The watch was my favorite apple device because it helps me to reduce screen time on the phone. Now it is a source of anger.
I hit 355 GB of system data on iOS 26 last week on my 15 pro max. Factory reset and restore from backup and it accumulates 5GB a day. Will be there again soon.
There is something seriously wrong with system data in iOS 26.
I feel like this is leaking into macOS Sequoia updates as well. Disk space just keeps getting eaten up quickly and I’m scrambling to clear up some space on a MacBook Pro with a large disk and lots of RAM. I know I should reduce user data (like the documents, photos and videos I’ve stored), but something doesn’t seem right in how more and more disk space keeps getting used.
What blows my mind isn't the pervasive bugs throughout the system, which you could attribute to a poorly-run division or dysfunctional company.
It's that the basic shit is now so broken. Safari is unusable with too many tabs because it won't suspend them. The Tahoe app launcher will randomly remove apps from the list, and you need to open Finder to get it. Apple Books is unusable; the book keeps blanking out, it displays random error messages, search is slow and cumbersome because you need to scroll the search results list each time.
There's a collapse in basic functionality where it's obvious they don't use their own products.
Curiously, since the last update I have the problem where Safari tabs go completely white after a while. Refreshing doesn‘t help. I have to copy the URL and paste it into a fresh tab.
I’ve had this one for at least a year. Suspended tabs won’t come back 1/4 of the time, and the URL is gone too; the tab is effectively gone. I’m keeping important tabs in Brave.
I have 70GB of "Messages" on my Mac because iMessage "in the cloud" still stores all your attachments locally on every device. Yes, I can set the setting to delete attachments...but I want to keep them, just not on every device locally. Just deduct them from my iCloud store if you have to.
The worst part is it can’t even show the attachments sorted by size so that one can browse and delete some large ones. Same with the Photos app on iOS. Can’t sort photos and videos by size from within the app.
What’s the point of using application databases if the application cannot even query items by size and other attributes?!
> What’s the point of using application databases if the application cannot even query items by size and other attributes?!
I know that's not the solution that we want, but at least you should be able to look into the sqlite database it's using under the hood (https://github.com/RhetTbull/osxphotos/wiki/Understanding-th...)
The article reads as a list of bug gripes.
I agree, Apple needs a focus on quality. Plenty of Apple fans have been asking, for years, for a bug-fix release of all the OS's.
I don't know where the buck stops. I would point to Craig Federighi, but no doubt if Tim Cook told him he had to pivot to quality over features, Craig would do as Tim asked.
(I went to one Federighi feature meeting where engineers from the various teams show up with a demo ready to show and Craig goes round robin within the conference room watching each demo, asking questions, and then generally giving a thumbs up or not. It is done very rapid fire though—we were expected to show up "ultra-prepared". I watched him go from team to team before getting to us and my impression of his capabilities and understanding of the OS as a whole was in no way diminished by the experience. Craig is a capable guy. I want him and Apple to succeed.)
I've seen one of these posts for every single one of the ~15 years I've been using apple products, and yet still here we are, and for most it still the least worst OS going.
> I've seen one of these posts for every single one of the ~15 years I've been using apple products
Yes, one. On Tahoe there’s thirty. The scale of complaints is definitely higher this time around.
And also you are seeing serious criticism from the traditional Apple fan crowd, e.g. John Gruber has been panning it mercilessly.
It is kind of funny how most of them scapegoat that Dye guy (who was poached by Meta). As if a single person was responsible for all that bad design, and it isn't a failure of the whole organisation.
Yes, it's like in that joke about not having to run faster than the bear.
As long as their competition is what it is, they don't have to put much effort in.
Yes. Maybe they saw Windows 11 and decided that now it's the right time to release Liquid Glass and fix it later. Anyway I've been on Linux since 2009 and it's getting better at each release (Ubuntus up to 20.04 and then Debian, Gnome.)
I've been on linux 1999-2013 but then I got tired of it "getting better" UI wise so I bought Macs.
I should check out how KDE is doing, Gnome and whatever Ubuntu delivers these days don't look like fun.
Command lines... I have them open on mac, linux and windows all the time.
That's pretty common: a lot of developers left Windows for a Mac in the 2000s because it was a more comfortable and realiable Unix than Linux. However I never liked the UI of Macs, so I never bought one. It was OK on the 9" screen of the original Mac in 1984, but weird on larger screens.
Luckily I've been able to make my GNOME desktop look like exactly what I want since at least 2020, when the ecosystem of GNOME shell extensions got mature enough. My current desktop is close to mix of old Windows and GNOME 2, with virtual desktops and other stuff that did not exist back then. I like stuff to stay put on screen, so no animations and all those UI gimmicks. Maybe I should have started from KDE but I got burned by KDE in 2014 and I hesitate to invest time to look at it again.
> a lot of developers left Windows for a Mac
I left linux for a Mac in 2013.
Talk about lock-in and enshittification.
> Do Apple staff even use their products anymore, or are they all secretly harbouring Android devices?
I've been asking myself the same for a couple of years now.
Assuming Tim Apple uses an iPhone, does he just throw it in the garbage and pull out a fresh one every time the battery reaches 20%? Is no one at Apple irked by the low battery notification modal that blocks all interactions until you dismiss it, the same way it has for 19 freaking years now? It even covers the PIN entry form and makes the device unusable. I honestly think it's more reasonable to assume they're all on Android.
Apple laid off everyone in their #a11y and user experience team back in... was it 96? It hasn't been the same company since.
At this point I’m going to hold out on updating MacOS for a year. If things don’t improve or the direction doesn’t change significantly I’m going to seriously consider paying the switching costs.
I'm in the same position - holding out for a year in the hope that things change direction.
I've been in the apple ecosystem for 20 years at this point, because the ecosystem delivered real value for me. But that value has declined sharply - hardware is still good, but software quality has cratered while the drive for services revenue has become so relentless that I've now got one foot out the door.
Hm for me it's been a fairly steady state. The last 5 or so MacOS versions delivered features that got a solid meh from me:
- Big Sur did a redesign which wasn't really needed, but it wasn't that much of a downgrade. Wish they focused on fixing bugs rather.
- Monterey had live text, which has come in handy, otherwise I haven't used any of its headline features (such as shortcuts or universal control).
- Ventura: haven't used any headline features (Stage manager, continuity camera, Freeform)
- Sonoma: still nothing (Desktop widgets?, Game mode)
- Sequoia: Passwords app is cool, but have been using 1Password for a decade by this point, so had little interest in switching. (Everything else: Apple Intelligence was a joke, iPhone mirroring seems too clunky to be practical).
So nothing that exactly made me excited to upgrade, but at least things didn't get drastically worse.
But Tahoe seems like a disaster I don't want to touch. For one, it looks ridiculous. But also there seems to be a number of objectively bad design decisions all over the place. This is Apple - good design is what they got famous for. If they don't maintain an edge in UI design, then it's not the same company anymore as far as I'm concerned.
I switched after Apple dicked me on the G5 iMac about 20 years ago and haven't looked back. To be fair... all OSes have their plusses and minuses. Immediately after switching to FreeBSD as my daily driver (and then to Leenucks) I was very happy because the things that annoyed me about Apple products weren't problems in the PC world. But over time I noticed other irritants that definitely never came up with iProducts. FreeBSD and Linux give me more control over my daily experience, but at the cost of way more time debugging and administration.
Your plan seems like a good one, but remember, your mileage may always vary.
And there are days I keep thinking I want to go back to my Commodore 64. It didn't really do much, but at least it didn't bug me every 15 minutes to upgrade.
Just finished my switch. Dumped my iPhone + Macbook Pro + iPad Pro + Apple Watch + Airpods setup for a Framework 13 + GrapheneOS Pixel 10 Pro + Seiko watch and wired earbuds.
I run NixOS, it's incredibly easy to do anything I want by just pointing Claude at my dotfiles and telling it "I want this", applying, and then reverting if I don't like the results.
The switch came more from a realisation that Apple devices are becoming media/slop consumption devices, rather than devices that run my workflows for me.
Same, wrt iOS26. Hoping iOS27 ditches the glass crap.
Otherwise, I guess I'll be buying an Android.
I am glad at least that Apple has not forced me to update my iPhone 13 and 2023 Macbook, as Windows would have by now. I am hoping to ride this out, and that a later bundled update will remedy the worst complaints. The most alarming thought in TFA, though, was that the iPhone update might have at least a secondary mission of nudging the user to buy a new phone - certainly not an unknown tactic in tech.
> Apple has not forced me
Not for lack of trying. Heard the wife scream that they updated her to 26 2 days ago. And she had been warned. Not by me, she may not trust the conservative geek, but by our daughter who is cursing at iOS 26 right and left.
So far I've managed to protect all my iOS and MacOS devices, but who knows what they sneak in next...
By the way, ages ago I had to pull over on a road and wait for an iOS upgrade because Apple deemed to display the "upgrade now" dialogue over my navigation app and of course i touched the screen in the wrong place to get rid of it because i was driving.
Windows would have forced you to update a 2023 machine? Really?
I don't think many would believe, based on what I wrote, that the machine had received no updates since 2023. Perhaps you forgot the closing /s
Agreed. But only because you said updates forced, not received.
We are all lucky that Alan Dye is off screwing up Meta now and that Tim Cook is not long for Apple. Even with just Dye gone I expect things to improve but I doubt a big change will happen until Tim Cook leaves (which cannot come soon enough).
for me this latest macOS is buggy as well. AirDrop stopped working and I cannot airdrop from my phone to my macbook that is 20cm away, connected to same fast WiFi and sometimes even wired to my macbook via usb-c.
I tried then to workaround and use apple Image Capture app to copy some files - always the latest picture is not available in the app. So now I have to do like cavemen to share some stuff to my email and download file in the email. And share button sometime fails as well...
Try opening the share menu on your phone, then opening the full airdrop menu, and airdropping to your laptop. Works for me when airdropping directly to my laptop in the share menu does not.
I've got the exact same storage issue on my iphone xr. Happened once before and it was fixed by doing a full reset and restore. That lasted about 6 months. I don't want to keep doing resets every 6 months. Has anyone found a simpler solution?
Yes, move to android.
I've been successfully holding off on updating from iOS 18 by declining the prompt each time. Any tips for pinning the version more robustly? Because I feel the random upgrade prompts are going to catch me out eventually.
My iPhone has so little free space (thanks to the ever increasing “system data”) that it can’t update to iOS 26. Point updates for iOS 18 are usually much smaller and can still be installed.
I can’t believe I’m suggesting this, but… you could install a bunch of apps to get your phone storage to <10GB free, which should block it being able to update to iOS 26.
This was a trick to block Windows updates at one point, but then they started force reserving 7GB or something with a later update. It meant that some devices with small disks that supported Windows 10 no longer met the system requirements.
i switched to the ios 18 public beta channel, which currently has no beta available to dl and that stopped the damn update annoyances
I downloaded all my photos from iCloud about a month ago. That was the last task on the monumental "leave the Apple walled garden" task list.
Life on the outside is really nice. You can just... do things.
How did you do this? I once tried and it seemed impossible.
icloudpd - https://github.com/icloud-photos-downloader/icloud_photos_do...
for the rest of the migration I had to take it piece by piece, luckily my iPhone had enough storage, I got iCloud to download everything to my iPhone, then syncthing-ed everything to another machine. I then backed up everything that I just downloaded from iCloud to a Hetzner Storage Box via restic.
It takes 1.5 seconds to close a Tab in Safari. If you hold the close tab shortcut for long so that it closes all tabs the entire browser basically freezes.
I run into this daily. I don't understand how this got through QA
Oh, I had the same (?) issue! Restarting the app fixed it temporarily. Closing (copying to a text file) all tab groups fixed it completely. Until I accumulated them again.
An elderly friend had some identity theft and we went to handle it at the three credit bureaus…
She has an old MacBook and old iPhone (circa 2017?). Apple no longer updates these OS’ even the bundled Safari.
One of the bureaus, Experian I think, has a TLS cert that is not compatible with the old OSs so all the “don’t trust this site” warnings come up.
How many people have incomplete credit freezes because of this? Apple is of a size that this hurts society.
It's a push to using their cloud services I suppose. I have had to pay for the icloud for a while now because my phone would fill up so quickly.
I am eyeing a few tutorials on building my own cloud.
I have a feeling things are only going to get worse with the more AI integration they are pushing next...
They really need to do a year release that just focuses on fixing all the broken things and cleaning things up.
When I switched from 10+ or something years of android (used since Galaxy S) to iphone 13, I felt that “everything just works”. But recently it’s getting worse. I don’t know what they did, but last year or so the typing on the keyboard became progressively worse. Constant typos, wrong letters. Idk what is happening.
We need a new "snow leopard" release. No new features. Cleaning up the mess. Ethically speaking, there's no excuses for Apple. They're sitting on a huge pile of resources. Don't have the team competent enough to handle stuff? Hire them. Yet I know that's not how capitalism works.
As someone who witnessed a lot of the quality decline at Apple from the inside, hiring more people is decidedly not the answer. All that does is encourages management to engage in more churn, which is the source of these sorts of bugs.
The answer, unfortunately, is that features need to be sunsetted/removed, the engineering org shrunk, and for a smaller group to concentrate on a reliable product core.
It's not about the sheer numer of people, it's about their quality as managers, engineers, art directors and designers. Hire the best, pay them accordingly. Things can thrive without austerity, given enough good resources.
I disagree. A lot of the problems come down to part A of the system not coordinating well with part B. Take the brouhaha about the Tahoe window corners: obviously there wasn't enough communication between folks designing the window frame art and the folks implementing the window resize logic.
You can hire the best, but coordination among a group of people scales quadratically.
I'm really surprised they don't attempt to make the Mac a more work-focused machine.
Try building a graphics editor in SwiftUI. This is not really possible in 2026 in SwiftUI. I build a zoomable pannable page setup was incredibly difficult but possible.
Then try adding WYSIWG text editing to that. I got halfway to building one using CoreText to render to Canvas which works but then there's this fight with their NSAttributedString which is opaque and horrible, making it impossible to store CMYK colours alongside the text runs. There's also no way to capture iPad keyboard input in SwiftUI.
In the end, I have to build things that fit within platform constraints if I want to use SwiftUI.
The fact that e.g. Canva and Figma bypass almost all their APIs and draw to canvas should be a wake-up call for them.
Also PDF generation is painful enough that I'm considering a Java based web-service for document export on macOS.
I think it's an extremely recurring theme.
User: I will be so happy if Foo doesn't keep changing its UI and focuses on fixing bugs for a few versions
Foo's devs: Keep changing its UI and adding more bugs
I turned-off automatic updates as soon as the new OSs were announced but my sister got a little surprise the other day when she woke up and her iphone had updated to iOS 26. A lot of changes for no reason. I hope that now that the design team is gone things might get bit better.
My number one bug for years that baffles me as to why Apple hasn’t fixed it: Zooming in on heavy websites or PDFs (with large images or WebGL) force closes the Safari tab. Over and over again.
Apple have been drafting on past innovations and cashing in for a while now, yes? Very profitable, but it can't last forever.
Also, here's Tim kissing fascist ass on the same day ICE shot an unarmed man: https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/tim-cook-attended-melani...
My MacBook Air complains about being low on storage, and when I check the disk usage (I have a 256GB version of M1), 15GB is used for Apple Intelligence, which does nothing for me, and there is no way to remove that.
You can remove Apple Intelligence offline models. Assuming you already have Apple Intelligence disabled:
Enable Siri, change Siri's language to Chinese, wait an hour, disable Siri again.
At least, it worked for me yesterday.
I think it’s possible to turn it off completely. Or have they ripped that out in Tahoe?
My days of not believing people's gushing praise about "just works" about any proprietary technology are certainly coming to a middle
It's so funny watching the proprietary OS folks despair as their software falls to pieces to make shareholders richer, meanwhile my Linux distro has "just worked" since 2007. You don't have to keep running on this treadmill, folks.
The delusion of the “Mac just works” crowd is only matched by the delusion of the Linux “year of the Desktop” crowd.
They share the same trait of “it works on my machine, I like it, therefore it’s my identity and everything else is wrong”
I use Linux regularly as a second OS for more than 15 years. Driver compatibility improved, software design and quality didn’t, in fact it suffers more or less the same problems of other mainstream OSs.
Linux on the desktop has been winning because the others got bad at a faster pace, I’m not sure there is anything to be celebrated.
It's probably not worth it to say more than that my experience simply differs from yours. I've found it incredibly unproductive to quibble with people who have jumped to the conclusion that some difference of opinion must stem from some kind of identity-justification/confirmation bias delusion out the gate. This seems to be the most common mindless kneejerk criticism people jump to these days when they're engaging not with the person they're talking to, but a strawman or stereotype they believe that they conceptually represent, which in turn seems to be the most common failure mode of internet argumentation in general. It's interesting to see how the real phenomenon of confirmation bias and some relatively well-respected theories about opinion-as-identity have jumped from psychological literature to being basically pervasive thought-terminating cliches. But I like writing out my thoughts so... against my better judgment I'll write 'em out here. As a treat
My experience with the linux ecosystem overall, which seems consistent with that of the person you're responding to from what little information that post gives, has been of consistent improvement over a long timescale with an increasingly capable stack of open-source software whose exact pieces have shifted with various community and maintainer dramas and the natural process of the birth of new projects and death of old ones over time. I've found that I have my preferences within that ecosystem, like I settled on archlinux as a distro about ten years ago and haven't really seen a strong reason to switch, despite periodically working with other popular ones in the course of a career as a software engineer and researcher. I have strong reasons to prefer a modular, composable operating system that I control, so I wouldn't consider using proprietary software if there's a working FOSS alternative. This is a bias for sure! But I find my frustration with these things has decreased in aggregate over time, even as I've changed tools and suffered switching costs for it numerous times, and dealt with the general hostility with which a lot of manufacturers seem to view open-source software running on their hardware, and their attempts to make this more difficult. However, the aggregate experience of proprietary software users seems to have significantly degraded over the same period. They generally insist that this is still worth it to them over doing what I do, and again I've been in enough dumb internet arguments to know that it's not worthwhile to do more than gently suggest that alternatives exist and may be worth trying unless I know them personally.
I do get a window into proprietary ecosystems nonetheless, because I still don't feel I can replace the use cases required of me on mobile phones with an open-source alternative yet, and have seen my frustrations steadily increase over time with both these and SaaS products that I've been required to use for work. I also got frustrated enough with game consoles that I've entirely switched over to using PCs, running linux, for any games I want to play. At every turn, I have found that while computers are always error-prone in some way or another, and using them extensively will result in some frustration, this is significantly less when I have more control over the computer, and has become less rather than more frequent as open-source projects mature. I can not only observe that my own experience with proprietary products has followed the opposite pattern, but that more and more people talking about tech companies with scorn rather than effusive praise, yelling at their phones, and the public discourse adopting terms like "platform decay", "enshittification", "tech rot", etc all suggest that this is a general trend rather than my biases
Again, your mileage may vary, but I do find it odd that you are so immediately dismissive of this perspective, accusing a pretty innocuous comment about it of reactionary identity-defense basically immediately without engaging at all. If you're inclined to listen to a zealot like me at all, I would only urge you to consider why you have assumed this so quickly, why you are so adamant that this is the only sort of person who could form such an opinion
I end up using
https://derlien.com/ "Disk Inventory X"
regularly to find stuff to clean up.
GrandPerspective is pretty good too (very similar).
I have an old Mac Pro that I have upgraded to High Sierra. I don't really want to upgrade it further.
The walled garden seems to be falling apart, with users trapped inside. Maybe the idea of a walled garden isn't so great after all.
I've been with Apple since 1979, but these days I don't even use a small percentage of all the features of the iPhone, and in spite of having bought over 800+ apps I still only use 7 of them. However, I dare not even attempt to clean up my iPhone and understand how it all works these days - I just avoid any thing cloud-related, and try to do my own manual photo backups - which is replete with its own dangers, it has to be said.
It really does seem like nobody at Apple is actually using any of the software they're releasing. Its just such shoddy quality control!
Agree, been using Apple on-off for decades, seems to get worse every time.
> try to do my own manual photo backups
As a Linux desktop user but Apple phone user, I do the same thing, so I can save the photos to my NAS, using ipairdevice/libimobiledevice/ifuse et al. to do it. Best part? Apple still spams me that my photos aren't backed up, because I'm not using iCloud. Is there a way of disabling that? Nope, they'll forever bother me about this, thanks.
> It really does seem like nobody at Apple is actually using any of the software they're releasing. Its just such shoddy quality control!
I think this is the crux, there are no humans with brains doing QA anymore. Since I got my iPhone 12 Mini, up until yesterday when I last used it, CarPlay still feels like it's worth risking my life every time someone calls me while I use the navigation. Not a single person could have tried this at Apple, because who would think it's a great idea showing a large avatar across the screen, over the navigation, as soon as someone calls? Absolutely bananas the direction Apple went as soon as Jobs disappeared, shame really.
I use Image Capture.app to manually retrieve my photo's - which normally works fine unless I forget to create a new folder for the task, and instead import into the older folders - which often means I overwrite prior photo's and lose data! Its so freakin' frustrating that, in the rush to get rid of files and folders from the users perception of their own personal filesystems, Apple has made it worse to maintain things manually.
The system data issue on iphone annoyed me since forever. It is The reason i switched to android.
Maybe this is just a reminder to put your iProduct down, go outside and touch grass.
(Oh man. That came out super smug. Imagine the non-smug version of that message. Maybe it should have been something like "I went on a project to reduce the amount of screen time over the last couple of years and generally feel healthier and happier. Pick your own level of engagement with tech, but I encourage you to think about if you're spending too much time on your phone (or commenting on threads at ycombinator.com) at least every couple of months.")
glad that the chief UI guy has left. see if the next iteration is any better :)
If you think what's happening at Apple now is because of a single individual, you're wildly out of touch, it's an organization issue, pervasive in everything they put out today. Lack of proper QA I'd say is the reason.
While quality control isn't easy problem, it baffles my mind whenever I find a bug and it has been reported for years and still wasn't fixed in iphone/mac(or worse some user reported hack works). Those two are so big that spending a billion dollar for quality will make it back for sure.
Specifically this System Data issue is big problem but I read online about it and tried stupid fix: set time to far future. Supposedly will expire this system data caches. Nonsense, I said. It is foolish to make cache so big it does not allow update to download.
But I did it nonetheless and system data reduced! So crazy is real.
DaisyDisk - the version you download from them, not the one from the app store which has to be sandboxed - helps with purging that crap.
But then you have to buy an extra app to fix Apple's mess.
Personally I don't mind because I use it to clear my personal crap and it's made its money back countless times already, but to get it just for the purge...
They're making some historically terrible decisions.
Now we're all going to have to pay for Gemini model storage, probably 2 to 4 GB.
That means we're probably paying $10 per-device for the storage required to have Google's model on "our" devices. Which we never asked for.
They could just make it an optional part of the install. Does anyone really care about the on-board "intelligence"?
Gemini FFS.
Ironically, Google is the safer bet and this might have been a correct decision from Tim Apple.
AI is changing at a rapid pace ( still ) and OpenAI is no longer the only game in town at the top, plus their finances are.. something we’ll hear about the next year and Sam Altman is an incredible unscrupulous person with past actions and decisions catching up to him. Not exactly the situation you want to partner with.
At this point you don’t need your AI on Apple devices to be revolutionary, it needs to work and be better than the current situation which is not difficult.
Gemini 3 is quite good for the general public, Google has the money to keep playing the AÍ games and also played ball with Apple, OpenAI only has 1 or 2 of those going for them.
> Ironically, Google is the safer bet
Possibly. Until online features are added, marking a slow decline into the everything-as-a-subscription-service world (E-ASS). Look at Apple vs Google stock price for the carrot.
Even if I turn it off, how to I remove it and reclaim the space I paid for?
Taking a photo of home screen used to save automatically, now I have to click 2 extra times.
Not sure the App Store field should autofocus. Mac menus draw the frame first, then after a delay we see the items. That is inexcusable
Early this month, I was browsing the same sites I always do when Safari on my iPhone suddenly became very sluggish. I closed Safari and reopened it, and poof! Everything was gone: favorites, history, open tabs, everything.
This kind of BS has become very common with Apple. There's a very pretty happy path, and a very ugly muddy trail if you fall off the scenic route.
My Linux installation occupies 6 gigabytes.
Just saying...
Dude has no storage and no backups on phone. He is one icon refresh from losing it all.
Endless restart loop. No recovery possible, even with a second iPhone and mac. It’s a known bug for years.
Yeah. I've been using Apple products off and on for 47 years and:
Apple is absolutely trying to make your experience of an older iProduct craptastic. But... so is everyone else in the industry. It's just that Apple, who once made very decent products, had much higher from which to fall.> Apple is absolutely trying to make your experience of an older iProduct craptastic. But... so is everyone else in the industry. It's just that Apple, who once made very decent products, had much higher from which to fall.
My personal laptop is a 7 year old Dell G5 running Linux Mint.
My experience using that on a daily basis is actually pretty decent. Very smooth sailing. It is good enough that I keep postponing my decision to get a new machine.
So, no. This is an Apple problem, not "everyone else in the industry".
Could this be because more code is coming in through vibe coding?